What Type of Cueist Are You & Why Do You Think Your Way is Best?

no ones taking my place.....when I last left here during some of my travels for some years everything was great here.....then apparantly the nit army showed up....

not going anywhere
-Greyghost

I did not mean leaving AZB.

I meant harassing me & trying to muzzle me or get me banned or whatever.

I've not been able to figure out the rotation, so I guess "protecting the brand" must be by random assignment.

FullColorGhostBuster:wink:
 
I find it difficult to believe that some can't see the forest for the trees.

Just like in the Aiming threads....

all one needs to do is read a thread from the start & it is rather easy to see

just whose posts first pulls the handle on the toilet.

I'll go back & find out just who it was for this thread.

Best Wishes for ALL.
 
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ED......what your calling out, could be true via some instructors. I will say this, that the coaches that I associate with can all show you and teach you diff types of stroke, and have seen them perform diff ones as well. There are the SPF guys in the PBIA group as well that say, OBVOUSLY.....teach a PAUSE that occurs b/t the backswring and the actual final forward delivery to shoot the ball....that pause is taught to be "accentuated" during practice just to help break particular habits, but it doesn't mean that at first if your "holding" the pause fo 1+ seconds, thats not going or supposed to be your natural forever "hold" length on that pause......it is to teach to not be so "jerky" so there is a smooth transition.

During a fundamentals class you will learn a fundamental basic stroke and b uild things around it......justbecause some only choose to read the first chapter of a book doesn't mean they are qualifiied to criticize or quantify the contents of the entire book.....

i have personally seen plenty of coaches/instructors/players that all say adhere to a standard operating stroke for the standard typiical shot.....

FOR EXAMPLE......

most know I get in alignement a la "snooker" style.....more square with shot.....

if i have to jack up to jump or play some masse orr circus shots....or if i'm breaking a la' hillbilly and spearing through with a leg kick and such.....BOTH of those REQUIRE a more typcal SIDEWAYS stance with the body in relation to the cuestick....meaning the chest is more parallel to the cuestick/shotline as opposed to perpendicular with it.

WHY? becuase the body aint made like that, its encroaching and its not mechanically sound, plus it feels completely retarted.

Try it some time.....standcompletely square with a shot.....jack up high.....let me know how amazingly......BAD that feels lol

point is ricknado......you dont teach beginners and such the whole got dam world and confuse the living shit out of them for starters. I wont sit there and show a beginner for any amount of money some crazy top class trick shot circus stroking english, or how to shoot some 6 railer.........orhow to hold and bend the CB so you can go 2 rails back in your hole with the ball on the spot going LR/SR..........its too much rick....one step at a time. Some students get "held back" just like parents do with kids in school, so they can better learn material b/f continuing to the next part of process or step.


Some students can handle a 12hrs worth of info in a day and roll with it.....some cant barely handle 10 minutes......

and your sitting there making black and white comments, when the GREY is just as broad an possibly in greater quantity in particular niches of this game.

and dont you try and come from outside my perpherial.....with that that comment by trying to spin that to mean that I'm trying to say Randy, Scott and others are somehow wrong or not telling the truth, or the whole truth....if some piece of infor is held back from one of their students, or even one of mine......ITS FOR EXTREMELY GOOD REASONS AND IN THEIR BEST INTEREST..

this does not mean that tthe info will be forever more unavailable, just that not just yet.....you wouldn't teach a kid to break down mathmatical matrixes before they learn to add/sub/div/mul.....

then again.....the way you come off at times, maybe ya would??????

Information can not be mass dumped on someone and expecting them to just retain all that.

Most students I have i prefer to work with on a sort of set schedule....like weekly checkups and such....we go over a couple things.....they go on their own and workout with new info.....come back later and chase the dragon some more with me.....seen 4speeds put in the work and 1.5 years later be overall points champ and league MVP rated at a 9 in the 9 ball......thats pretty dog gone strong, thats how that particular student of mine went through his paces.....and worked his butt off, was very very hungry.

There is another here.....that was a friend of that samefella.....he's been drinking the punch.....other day someone said "man that kids priimed, he may be jumping to ligt speed soon, he just suddenly increased like crazy past 6 months"

I said "you say that like your surprised, I'm not.....the boy came to me, wanting to do what his friend accomplished, I expected this and I'm wondering when he's going to actually be serious"

wait wait Keeb......"so you dont think he's being serious rirght now"

i laughed and went home......i think that person who asked those couple questions is still head scratching......hopefully they will be intrigued of ongoings around them to come expand their minds.

This games all about YOU......nothing else.


-GreyGhost

Here is the post that detoured the thread & changed the direction.

It was post #40 on page 3.
 
If you look objectively at the stroke, you will notice that the cue movement is very similar to that of a piston's rod.

How this cue movement is achieved is another matter.

There is also no swing in a pool stroke. The stroke is a controlled motion of the arm the provides the piston like cue movement.
 
If you look objectively at the stroke, you will notice that the cue movement is very similar to that of a piston's rod.

How this cue movement is achieved is another matter.

There is also no swing in a pool stroke. The stroke is a controlled motion of the arm the provides the piston like cue movement.

Hi Greg,

A pendulum swings & that is why I refer to it as a swing when applying it to the pendulum. With the elbow fixed in space the forearm swings up, down & up again & the tip goes in the opposite direction down, up, & down again.

I piston stroke is different than a pendulum swing in that it is straight with no up, down & up of the cue nor the reverse for the tip.

We us the side of implements when we swing them & not the end.

You can swing a sword to use the side to cut or slice, but you thrust it or push it, like a piston, to use the point.

ALL Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick
 
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This thread is beginning to make my head hurt.

There is way more jabber-jawing and nonsense being slung back and forth than any actual knowledge being shared.

ENGLISH and his crusade to "save" somebody from possibly learning a wrong thing about pool and forever being scarred for life is lost on me. I don't see anybody on here needing to be saved. If he were to spend half as much time at the pool hall "saving" them, I think he wouldn't be wasting his saving time on here.

I only play once a week, on Sundays, and I see TONS of APA pool players that need some serious saving and I would say 99.9% of the time that I've ever mentioned AZB to one of them, they didn't have a CLUE as to what it was.

When somebody makes 10 posts to 1 for every other participant, then that says something. What? I'll leave that up to you to decide on your own. And when they play the "victim" card, over and over, it says something. It seems to me that he stirs the pot up with the same BS, over and over, and then plays the victim when people don't agree with him. If you don't agree with him, he just continues posting the same stuff, over and over and over, with a bit of rewording or quoting somebody else for reinforcement.

People can agree with me on something or disagree and it matters not to me, either way. I post what I think works for me and may work for others, but I'm not going to get on here and preach about "saving" someone from a bad pool tip. Heaven forbid they learn something incorrectly and don't grow up famous as a rich pool champion.

Eye,

Are you seriously trying to say & actually think that every member of & visitor to AZB is an A level player or above.

I don't think that A & above players care one bit about what color chalk you or I like to use.

Just how many lower level players would you like to see get started down the possibly wrong road for them?

I got Green Rep from a male instructor that I respect added to my pages full of green rep for one of my earlier posts in this thread.

If one gets onto something because an instructor sort of suggests that it's best or they are nearly always reading suggestions of such here then they may never venture off of that & may NEVER find out what is truly best FOR THEM.

They should make their own determination after knowing both sides. If only one side is always presented & the other side is never heard, how can one make any kind of an informed determination as to what direction that may want to go.

It's one thing for a store to have choice & it's another if one choice is buried in the back yard & hidden from view.

Just some food for thought.

Best 2 Ya.
 
Rolling is Natural

I like to let the cue ball roll. Its built for rolling. When you start skidding, drawing and using side spin those things are extra that you might be able to do without. So if I can I do.

Tangent line position of a rolling cue ball is easier. All you do is use your stroke speed to determine where the cue ball ends up.

When I have to do the other stuff is usually when I need to get back in line but that's just me.
 
I like to let the cue ball roll. Its built for rolling. When you start skidding, drawing and using side spin those things are extra that you might be able to do without. So if I can I do.

Tangent line position of a rolling cue ball is easier. All you do is use your stroke speed to determine where the cue ball ends up.

When I have to do the other stuff is usually when I need to get back in line but that's just me.

And what does that have to do with a type of cueing action?
 
Its uneeded flair

And what does that have to do with a type of cueing action?

You hit the ball and its rolls, how you hit the ball to cause it to roll is of little consequence if you let it roll. You can stand on your head, wear a funny hat, jab at or curse at it, if it rolls it was made to. None of the other stuff matters nor has any extra needed effects. You hit the ball, plain and simple however you do it doesn't really matter, all the other stuff is flair.
 
So this shows you have not met many A and above players.

I even know one (of the best straight pool players in the US) who only plays with Masters Pre flag Blue.

Who do you hang with at the pool hall, the peanut gallery from Howdie Doodie land?

:eek:
Eye,

Are you seriously trying to say & actually think that every member of & visitor to AZB is an A level player or above.

I don't think that A & above players care one bit about what color chalk you or I like to use.

Just how many lower level players would you like to see get started down the possibly wrong road for them?

I got Green Rep from a male instructor that I respect added to my pages full of green rep for one of my earlier posts in this thread.

If one gets onto something because an instructor sort of suggests that it's best or they are nearly always reading suggestions of such here then they may never venture off of that & may NEVER find out what is truly best FOR THEM.

They should make their own determination after knowing both sides. If only one side is always presented & the other side is never heard, how can one make any kind of an informed determination as to what direction that may want to go.

It's one thing for a store to have choice & it's another if one choice is buried in the back yard & hidden from view.

Just some food for thought.

Best 2 Ya.
 
I like to let the cue ball roll. Its built for rolling. When you start skidding, drawing and using side spin those things are extra that you might be able to do without. So if I can I do.

Tangent line position of a rolling cue ball is easier. All you do is use your stroke speed to determine where the cue ball ends up.

When I have to do the other stuff is usually when I need to get back in line but that's just me.

Taking a page out of Efren's book, I see. Efren prefers to roll the ball as well, but he has learned to master side spin along with it.

Give it a try --- you might like that combination of roll and side.
 
I think Keebie's post #40 contained some of the most valuable information in this tread. You should read it with an open mind.

Here is the post that detoured the thread & changed the direction.

It was post #40 on page 3.
 
Eye,

Are you seriously trying to say & actually think that every member of & visitor to AZB is an A level player or above.

I don't think that A & above players care one bit about what color chalk you or I like to use.

Just how many lower level players would you like to see get started down the possibly wrong road for them?

I got Green Rep from a male instructor that I respect added to my pages full of green rep for one of my earlier posts in this thread.

If one gets onto something because an instructor sort of suggests that it's best or they are nearly always reading suggestions of such here then they may never venture off of that & may NEVER find out what is truly best FOR THEM.

They should make their own determination after knowing both sides. If only one side is always presented & the other side is never heard, how can one make any kind of an informed determination as to what direction that may want to go.

It's one thing for a store to have choice & it's another if one choice is buried in the back yard & hidden from view.

Just some food for thought.

Best 2 Ya.

What an insulting post! Not only to most instructors, but to the entire readership of the forums! Do you actually believe there is anyone here stupid enough to not see the political type double speak you are saying here? (well, there might be one or two in the entire readership)
 
Eye,

Are you seriously trying to say & actually think that every member of & visitor to AZB is an A level player or above.

I don't think that A & above players care one bit about what color chalk you or I like to use.

Just how many lower level players would you like to see get started down the possibly wrong road for them?

I got Green Rep from a male instructor that I respect added to my pages full of green rep for one of my earlier posts in this thread.

If one gets onto something because an instructor sort of suggests that it's best or they are nearly always reading suggestions of such here then they may never venture off of that & may NEVER find out what is truly best FOR THEM.

They should make their own determination after knowing both sides. If only one side is always presented & the other side is never heard, how can one make any kind of an informed determination as to what direction that may want to go.

It's one thing for a store to have choice & it's another if one choice is buried in the back yard & hidden from view.

Just some food for thought.

Best 2 Ya.

I'm saying, "I'm not going to sit on here all day and bicker back and forth with ANYBODY for the sake of ANYBODY who wants to find the one "nugget" that is keeping them from becoming the new Efren".

I grew up in a pool hall and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out and sitting here trying to read through a hundred pages of arguing isn't going to further anybody's game, much less a beginner's.

There are too many wordsmiths on here repeating the same stuff over and over in a different format, supposedly so some dumb ass can finally "get it". I'm of the mind that if you are that much of a "dumb ass", you need to spend more time at the table and less time sitting here listening to somebody speaking gobbledygook.

I watched people play and paid attention to what they were doing. If I saw a shot from somebody that impressed me, I'd go set it up and practice it until I could do it. I never went up to a C or D player and asked them for anything because I could figure out what they were doing without much difficulty. I already could miss a lot of balls and screw up. I paid attention to the people who knew what they were doing...the A and above players.

By the time I was 15, I could play above an A level and it wasn't from AZB.
 
Agreed

Taking a page out of Efren's book, I see. Efren prefers to roll the ball as well, but he has learned to master side spin along with it.

Give it a try --- you might like that combination of roll and side.

Id like to think I have something in common with Efren that's for sure. I spin the rock just fine. In fact I've written a great deal about it that isn't out yet.

My point is that when you introduce that into your game that knowing how you do things is really good because when you don't or you just plain don't need to....then why throw a factor in there that increases your chances of messing up? Speed control can mean a lot if you can control it.
 
So this shows you have not met many A and above players.

I even know one (of the best straight pool players in the US) who only plays with Masters Pre flag Blue.

Who do you hang with at the pool hall, the peanut gallery from Howdie Doodie land?

:eek:

I know about Pre Flag Masters & have some myself.

Maybe one day you will graduate to a level that will enable you to actually understand what you read.

I was referring to those that ask what COLOR of any kind of chalk someone likes.

It was a metaphor & not meant to be technically specific.

Lately, I am using Masters Brown if that interests you.
 
You hit the ball and its rolls, how you hit the ball to cause it to roll is of little consequence if you let it roll. You can stand on your head, wear a funny hat, jab at or curse at it, if it rolls it was made to. None of the other stuff matters nor has any extra needed effects. You hit the ball, plain and simple however you do it doesn't really matter, all the other stuff is flair.

And what type of cueing action do you think gives you the most consistency of hitting at the exact height on the ball that you intend so that it rolls just as you intend it & so that it gets the right amount of energy transfer from the cue movement so that the speed of roll is as you intend it?
 
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I think Keebie's post #40 contained some of the most valuable information in this tread. You should read it with an open mind.



It would not matter if it contained the Ten Commandments of Pool sent down from God Almighty Himself.

It is the post that pulled the toilet chain & redirected the flow.
 
I hold the cue in my hand and I stroke it towards the cue ball. I like to use the Center Axis of the cue ball, the proper speed for the shot at hand and about a 1/2 tip of Top to make sure it doesn't skid. I hope this is what you are talking about.

And what type of cueing action do you think gives you the most consistency of hitting at the exact height on the ball that you intend so that it rolls just as you intend it & so that it get the right amount of energy transfer from the cue movement so that the speed of roll is as you intend it?
 
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