No pushout allowed after the break in APA 9 ball league?
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This entire tournament sounds weird to me. The OP said that they were playing 8 ball on the winners side and 9 ball on the losers side? Odd set up to start with IMHO. Then they CLAIM to be playing APA rules but are going off of games won in 9 ball? The TD has set it up so that there are no 7's or above? I am guessing that the TD is a 6. It was nice that you were able to rob them of the cash (I think you know you were heads and tails better than the rest of the field at this point) but had I walked into a tournament and heard the rules set up as they were, I would most likely have walked out without getting my cues out of the case.
We often have 9-ball tournaments that use APA rankings, but not the point based scoring, cuz lets face it, no one wants to score that way in a regular tourney. Its way too much work, especially scoring for yourself.
We have some official APA tourneys where we have to do that, and without someone else keeping score, it becomes a big hassle.
And if you're trying bring in non APA people, point scoring will turn them all away.
Using rankings to try to determine someone's skill or seeding is one thing but using ball scoring is a whole other ball of wax.
As far as their rules go concerning the play of the game what is really different than normal 9 ball beyond the jump sticks and push outs?
I asked that as a person that doesnt really play much 9 ball.
I guess one answer would be they are more lenient on touching other balls, but I can't honestly think of anything else based on my limited knowledge of 9 ball and different formats.
As far as their rules go concerning the play of the game what is really different than normal 9 ball beyond the jump sticks and push outs?
I asked that as a person that doesnt really play much 9 ball.
I guess one answer would be they are more lenient on touching other balls, but I can't honestly think of anything else based on my limited knowledge of 9 ball and different formats.
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Other than scoring, push out and jump cues, its mostly the same, yes.
justinb386
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If it is such a crap shoot, then why are all of the league players doing that same exact 2nd ball break? It always makes me sick when I see it, and I hated it long before anyone ever won a game on me by doing it.
justinb386
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Can you explain to me what "the break being closed in 8 ball" means. I do not understand that term. Thanks.
justinb386
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Yeah, I understand, and I also understand that there are far stronger players then me, that I do not want to get into a safety battle with. I am the very weak player in comparison to a lot of players out there. I was really never any good at making a smart push out anyways. I just did not like that option being taken away from me.
justinb386
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The races were really very short, so if I had not played good, I could have easily lost. Not hard to get 2 games on a player, playing 9 ball (and loser breaks).
I could never handle being in the APA. It is way too boring.
I did not like the format of BCA league either. I think it was like a round robin type of format (where you play 1 game against all of the players on the other team).
justinb386
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It is funny, because if I were to join the APA, then I think I would be a 4. I guess I would need to get at least 10 matches in (to become established) before I could play in the tournament again.
I guess I should be grateful that he even let me play (without being in the APA). I do not think it is an easy tournament to win though, with the rules and that are used (and the very short races).
justinb386
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Yeah, that is correct, except that I think that the guy who was running the tournament told me that he is a 7 (so he was not playing in it).
I am happy that I was able to play good enough to win it, and I really felt like I had to play good to win it.
Closed break means you take what you make on the break, the table is not "open" if you make a ball, you have to play the suit you pocketed. Unless you made one of each, then you get to choose.
"break as hard as you can with control" isn't just subjective - it's ridiculous. If you are at your limit in terms of how hard you can break then you are about to lose control. 99+% of breaks should be called a foul if this rule is enforced properly.
4 balls hit the rail or one goes down is sufficient in 8 ball pool. Really, folk who come up with these rules should just play one ball pool with the 8 (or 9 or 10 or whatever) on the spot and play first to sink it wins.
Weird thread though - 8 ball breaking rules with no push outs This APA 8/9 ball game sounds as crazy as APA rules.
4 balls hit the rail or one goes down is sufficient in 8 ball pool. Really, folk who come up with these rules should just play one ball pool with the 8 (or 9 or 10 or whatever) on the spot and play first to sink it wins.
Weird thread though - 8 ball breaking rules with no push outs This APA 8/9 ball game sounds as crazy as APA rules.
Many years ago when I was no more than 18 yo, I stumbled into the New Green Room and they were having a large ( for that area ) APA open tournament. ( meaning it really didn't have anything to do with league play but you had to be an APA member to play in it and if I remember correctly it was for 6's and under. I have no idea what the rules are now just as I had no idea what the rules were then but I wasn't a member but wanted to play since I was there. Luckily for me, the TD was an old buddy from the pool room I started playing in when I was about 12. He let me sign up for an APA membership ( $25 ) and pay the entry fee ( think it was also $25 ). I straight robbed the thing and everyone was *****ing bad. To shut them up he moved me up to a 5 for the finals ( which really meant nothing as long as I was a 6 or below- the matches were not handicapped ) . Anyway I took it off and it paid between $550-$600. This was my only experience in an APA tournament. I was not told that I couldn't play in any future ones. What I'm getting at is as someone else said or asked, is it possible that you complained a lot and that is why you are no longer welcome? Not saying you did, but I could totally see that happening to someone.
To the " second ball " break - why do you not like it so much? I rarely ever play 8 ball, but when I do and if I'm allowed to I ALWAYS break that way. I think anyone that knows anything about pool would probably tell you that is the best way to break 8 ball. Not only does it give you the best chance to make the 8 onot the break, but it also gives you the best chance to pocket other balls AND IMO gives you the best spread of the balls. 1 caveat that I've found though, you do need to take a little off of your break when hitting the second ball or you are at a higher risk of jumping the cue off of the table. So we're you just unfamiliar with that break and scared to use it and were mad others were effectively using it against you? Or what was the problem?
If I was to snap off that tournament....or for that matter any tournament. The last thing I would do is complaining pain about the rules it went by.
Not saying he complained about the rules during the tournament but it sure sounds like it. If so ...yea I could see where they would tel him not to come back.
Just goes to show you...some people cant be happy no matter what.
Yup, I kinda da got that feeling too. I don't know him of course, but by his own admission he's already said multiple times that he has issues. I do not think he even realizes it but a lot of people on AZ has been trying to help the kid out and throwing him good advice but I do not believe he is hearing any of it.
Seriously? So because people use an effective break shot (for any league not just APA) it should be banned because you don't like it? I'm confused as to why you think there should be a rule stating you have to hit the head ball. I've been around pool for 15 years, not as many as most here, and I've never heard someone say this before.
Here's what I've found, 2nd ball break guarantees nothing. It's a shot you have to hit good. The 8ball doesn't "fly out the back" "toward the side pocket almost every time". If u catch the head ball, cue ball flying off the table. If you don't hit it quite firm enough, you're gonna have 10-12 balls gathered on opposite side you broke from near/on the rail between side pocket and foot corner pocket. If you put a little too much draw it can easily go into the side pocket rebounding off the rail of the side you broke from. As can a little to much follow rebound off the rail and into opposite foot corner pocket.
All that said, I believe (if struck well) it gives you a better chance of making a ball than 1st ball break. I, personally, use it most often in APA league as I often find my opponent hasn't racked super tight. Which is yet another benefit of this break is you can not have to worry as much about the head ball being tight, and actually makes the break easier if it isn't. Or if the rack is tilted is easier to accomplish better as well. And obviously if you make the 8 you win is an added bonus.
If I'm playing BCA league Which is rack your own I usually use a first ball break as I'm certain the balls will be tight and I can get a real nice spread on a medium speed break so as to control whitey nicely as well.
Only reason I've shared all this is because it isn't simply a break shot (all) people use to get lucky. Many people have worked on it a lot, as it is a needed weapon in a game where if you break dry, you very well might not see the table again until your opponent has cleaned up that game as well as a few more.
4 is the beginning default S/L for men. After your first match you'll be reassessed and assigned a more appropriate S/L. Probably by your 5th match at the latest you will have settled into where you'll actually be rated. If you're a known player to the LO or the staff you can be assigned a S/L or if you're pretty sure you know where you belong and you are honest you can start yourself in the appropriate spot. They will adjust you if needed. It shouldn't be a problem for you, unless you make it a problem
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It sounds to me like you simply need to improve your game.
You clearly are a little confused.
Yes, you should always break as hard as you can with control so your % is just made up bullshit.
8 ball never has pushouts so you don't know what you are talking about there.
Being you do not know the rules of APA you probably do not play APA so you probably shouldn't talk about it as it makes you look foolish.