Ginacue popped over ivory, hopefully much or all fake.

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Ivory handles for guns are nothing compared to other markets that use the same material.

Gun owners more concerned with their guns than an accessory.
 
greyghost said:
Not arguing with ya lou but You Really think so? I know many gun collectors and none of them have anything ivory but just about everyone I know with a handful of cues has some ivory somewhere....I'm asking is that a professional or personal opinion or something


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My general knowledge is that the NRA has fought this issue at the state legislature level. Lots of antique/collectable guns (and knives) out there with ivory.

Lou Figueroa
 
Too many bad cue makers hurting the game when players are trying to improve it. We have seen it here many times now and then this.

The arrogance by makers and are amazing. To a certain point the ivory owners too. It's very hard to defend people breaking the law, if that was what
Ginacue did.

This must stop.
 
dom_poppa said:
Too many bad cue makers hurting the game when players are trying to improve it. We have seen it here many times now and then this.

The arrogance by makers and are amazing. To a certain point the ivory owners too. It's very hard to defend people breaking the law, if that was what
Ginacue did.

This must stop.
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Can't wait for Commiefornia to break off and sink. Then we won't have to listen to this nonsense
 
jasonlaus said:
Can't wait for Commiefornia to break off and sink. Then we won't have to listen to this nonsense
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I was born and raised in CA but moved away many years ago. I still go back a couple of times a year to visit family. A few weeks ago I was having dinner with my sister and she said something about as ca-ca crazy as some of the stuff in this thread and I just looked at her and laughed, "You have lived in this state too long."

Lou Figueroa
 
I lived there for a while also. Can't say I miss the 11,12 or whatever % state income tax:eek: most of the people I knew where fairly normal lol
 
dom_poppa said:
Someone on here who knows Ginacue and the smuggler said they know each other very well and are good friends.

It's a couple of pages back.
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SO WHAT!!!! If a car dealer sells a friend a car and knows his buddy is a drunk and then said guy is dui and has a wreck and injures / kills someone is the car dealer responsible???? I think not and rightly so! All this kind of stuff IS SO STUPID AND SO OUT OF CONTROL!!!!! I truly do not know what if anything can be done but boy I REALLY hope someone tries to do something ! It's really really sickening imo, and getting worse by the day. DP, you sound like you're right where you belong - CA.
 
BmoreMoney said:
SO WHAT!!!! If a car dealer sells a friend a car and knows his buddy is a drunk and then said guy is dui and has a wreck and injures / kills someone is the car dealer responsible???? I think not and rightly so! All this kind of stuff IS SO STUPID AND SO OUT OF CONTROL!!!!! I truly do not know what if anything can be done but boy I REALLY hope someone tries to do something ! It's really really sickening imo, and getting worse by the day. DP, you sound like you're right where you belong - CA.
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What happened to law and order?

Are you an activist?
 
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HANGRY? Lol


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dom_poppa said:
What happened to law and order?

Are you an activist?
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I'm quite certain a pool cue with some ivory in it is not / has not caused the breakdown of society nor has ever hurt anyone. Notice I said ANYONE - as in a human being ( what I generally care about )

jasonlaus said:
Take your Law and order me another drink
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LOL, that's great - LOVE IT!!! 😆

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HANGRY? Lol


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Rice rice baby!!!!!!!!!
 
I have no way of predicting cue prices.......but I do know this to be a fact.
EP has not produced a high volume of cues annually and judging by the
number of EP cues for sale over the past 3-4 years, there just aren't a lot
of his cues for sale........the ivory ban just means there won't be any more
made with ivory......that only helps sweeten the demand for those type EP
cues......I would never drop thousands on a cue built using Juma but that's
just me......others obviously can speak for themselves.......when something
is no longer being made and the number available is only a finite population,
the price tends to go up if there's any demand and I'm predicting there will be.
Obladi....Oblada....I sure hope so since it means I'd have to add less cash if I
ever locate the right Hercek cue. If I don't, well, I get to hang onto a great cue.
 
Speaking of California, folks get ready for a raise in food prices this winter.......
this heat and drought is translating into lower acreage being farmed, poorer
crop quality, shorter growing / harvesting periods & future enormous increases
in price attributable to simple supply & demand......fruit, vegetables, beef, pork,
chicken, pork, eggs & dairy products. All will become become adversely affected.
 
dom_poppa said:
Someone on here who knows Ginacue and the smuggler said they know each other very well and are good friends.

It's a couple of pages back.
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Yes, I said Ernie knows Chady well, but made no speculative remarks whether or not Ernie intended, or knew, what/where the geographic disposition of the cues was going to be.
 
Bavafongoul said:
It is going to come down to this........The only way Ernie can be found innocent of violating the CA ivory ban (AB-96 effective 7/1/16), not the Federal regulation, is if Ginacue can legally substantiate the following:

1. The ivory he used in the cue was actually pre-ban ivory.
2. The cue was actually built and shipped prior to July 1, 2016.

Both of these conditions are inviolate requirements under the CA ban and Ernie & possibly his customer under certain circumstances, have a big legal problem if the aforementioned conditions were not satisfied. If Ernie even assisted the shipping of a cue with ivory that he built before the ban took effect, it has no bearing. If shipping involves the sale of a cue, or a cue repair and "any" ivory was used, the cue had to be shipped by June 30, 2016. Any cue completed or shipped thereafter is a violation of the law. I know this to be factually true and I communicated that to Bob Owen & Jerry Rauenzahn whom were building me custom cues scheduled for completion after July 1, 2016. This past March, I updated them about what I was told by CA Fish & Wildlife and both guys moved heaven & earth to get my cues finished by this past Memorial Day weekend. And there's a shitload of ivory in these cues so I was definitely concerned about the CA regulation. Thank goodness both of these cues now safely reside in my cue case.

California cue-makers that have anything in their shop had better get rid of everything involving ivory because the head of Enforcement at CA Fish & Wildlife could be sending agents to your shop tomorrow.....and they have the authority to inspect your premises and business records. I've been warning about this on the Forum since May after I started having communications with the Enforcement Division about obtaining CITES documentation for my cues for my own protection.

If you get caught, you may not wind up receiving the criminal imprisonment penalty allowed under the law but rest assured, you will absolutely lose you cue and receive a substantial fine and the maximum fine is not totally unimaginable for a buyer ($5k). The ivory ban is a serious impediment to cue-making and naturally for all other uses & applications as well. Do not order a cue from a CA cue-maker with ivory or else just be prepared for problems. You are far better off buying the cue in person from a individual seller. If you reside in CA, meet on the other side of the Nevada state line when you buy or sell the cue. I was told very specifically what I need to do to sell my EP cue to help finance the purchase of a Hercek cue that would also have ivory. As long as I am not in the state of California when that takes place, i.e., both the sale of my EP cue & purchase of a Hercek cue, I satisfy California Assembly Bill AB-96 and it is completely legal & permissible.


Matt B.



p.s. If Ernie has documentation that the ivory was purchased legally and can show inventory control records for usage, he will not have to do anything else.
But the burden of proof is on Ernie....he must show he abides by the law that banned ivory after 1978. He just cannot state the ivory is legal and he must
prove it because ivory was banned long ago. If he does not have adequate documentation, then US Fish & Wildlife is permitted to test sample the ivory and
carbon date it for age. They drill into the pool cue and take as many samples as they are inclined to take. Some of the ivory in a cue might be a combination of
legal pre-ban ivory and more recently poached ivory. The only way to know is to sample all of the ivory. AND......damage to the cue is not the responsibility of
CA Fish & Wildlife......they are not liable for any damages under the law even if the ivory turned out to be all legal, pre-ban ivory......I got that straight from my
local Assemblyman's legal staff. Otherwise, the cost of enforcement could become prohibitively expensive that undermines the intent and overall purpose of
the regulation. CA Fish & Wildlife is indemnified under the law for testing the ivory in any article if proper documentation evidencing its legality is not available.

A photo is worth a thousand words......the below is why I follow the ivory ban so closely.
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Bava, are you saying that the Feds can date ivory through carbon testing to indicate the ivory was alive after 1980(I think that is the cutoff date)? I did not know carbon dating was that accurate based on tests I have read about concerning prehistoric bones of animals and bones of early man.
 
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