One pockets hurts other games , so I'm told

In my opinion, playing all games is good. You are exposed to different shots, and learn different strategies that can be applied to the other games. That said, if you are a 9 or 10 ball player and not a world beater who makes everything, practicing 1 pocketl is not the most effective in my opinion. Pocketing balls, repetitive drills with feedback, focus on stroke mechanics, are all MUCH better for your game improvement...
 
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Dimeball said:
Not gonna start the merry go round here...
I said the best, not top 20. Frost hardly ever wins anything else. All the guys you mentioned, with the exception of a couple, are all around greats, so, of course, yeah, those guys.
Shannon not so much, and let's all face it, Corey should take up full time commentating... Just sayin.
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Are the top 20 not the best?

Granted, there are one pocket specialists who are not great at other games. Efren was great at other games before he became great at one pocket.

"Shannon not so much" uhh do your homework. Shannon has won many, many titles in other disciplines over the years including the DCC banks, nine ball and All Around, he is definitely a GREAT player.

As Alice in Wonderland would say "Say what you mean not what you don't."

Note: Shannon is in the Bank Pool Hall of Fame
 
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puma122 said:
In my opinion, playing all games is good. You are exposed to different shots, and learn different strategies that can be applied to the other games. That said, if you are a 9 or 10 ball player and not a world beater who makes everything, practicing 10 ball is not the most effective in my opinion. Pocketing balls, repetitive drills with feedback, focus on stroke mechanics, are all MUCH better for your game improvement...
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I think the best thing an aspiring player can do is practice 14.1.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I think the best thing an aspiring player can do is practice 14.1.

Lou Figueroa
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I'm not so sure about that , maybe in the long run , Iv dabbled can't get past 49 lol
I think what guys were referring to is the stroke getting out of wack ,

Now I'm taking it on the chin from a old vet Reggie Barksdale on they cheap but he plays me like its 500, locks me down like I'm a mass murder convict so it's hard to let the stroke out when one little mistake and I'm finished , however Tom Tom says I'm stealing getting 5 dollar games with Reggie I think I'm 300 down at this point after a few months

However no doubt Im a better player in not only one pocket but 8 n 9 ball also and guys who I was donating to other than him I'm now breaking even or winning a few bucks and my other games have also shown marked improvement

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one stroke said:
I'm not so sure about that , maybe in the long run , Iv dabbled can't get past 49 lol
I think what guys were referring to is the stroke getting out of wack ,

Now I'm taking it on the chin from a old vet Reggie Barksdale on they cheap but he plays me like its 500, locks me down like I'm a mass murder convict so it's hard to let the stroke out when one little mistake and I'm finished , however Tom Tom says I'm stealing getting 5 dollar games with Reggie I think I'm 300 down at this point after a few months

However no doubt Im a better player in not only one pocket but 8 n 9 ball also and guys who I was donating to other than him I'm now breaking even or winning a few bucks and my other games have also shown marked improvement

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When you can run more you will see more of a difference.

Lou Figueroa
 
one stroke said:
Practice all you want then come down and play Reggie and tell me how that works out for you :eek:

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A good 1pocket player selects their shots based on a number of factors.

Some guys, not saying you, just worry about not leaving a shot. Better players also make sure to not leave a position that allows their opponent a trap. It takes a higher skill level to do more things on any given single shot.

Lou Figueroa
 
I can honestly say 1P helped my 8 ball game a lot. It has hurt my 9 ball because I don't play it much any more. I have found I like 8 ball better than 9 ball. Thought I'd never say that:eek:
 
Off the top of my head, I'd say there are more rotation-game and 14.1 game players that have won one-pocket tournaments than vice-versa.
 
jtompilot said:
I can honestly say 1P helped my 8 ball game a lot. It has hurt my 9 ball because I don't play it much any more. I have found I like 8 ball better than 9 ball. Thought I'd never say that:eek:
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Not surprising at all Jim!..IMO, 8ball is a better all around game, than 9ball or 10 ball..A lot more challenging decisions to make, regarding patterns, break-outs, safety options, etc!.. Sure top players will break and run fairly often in 8ball, but no more so than in 9ball, and the safety battles are usually much more interesting and demanding!

What we used to call 'Missouri 8ball' (15 and 1, in opposite side pockets) is actually a very good, easily understood game, at either the pro or amateur level..It also tends to curtail the easy run-outs!..I maintain, that if (for instance) pool is ever to become an Olympic sport, the only game that has a prayer of succeeding, will be some form of alternate break 8ball!..9 or 10ball would be a distant second!

Forget straight pool, or one pocket..Although both are very good games, there is not a chance of either one surviving the introduction phase!..1P, as popular as it has become now, is still too complex for the average spectator, and 14.1 can tend to (quite often) be a little too boring!..I would rate even snooker above them, as having a better chance of succeeding in an Olympic environment!
 
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SJDinPHX said:
Not surprising at all Jim!..IMO, 8ball is a better all around game, than 9ball or 10 ball..A lot more challenging decisions to make, regarding patterns, break-outs, safety options, etc!.. Sure top players will break and run fairly often in 8ball, but no more so than in 9ball, and the safety battles are usually much more interesting and demanding!

What we used to call 'Missouri 8ball' (15 and 1, in opposite side pockets) is actually a very good, easily understood game, at either the pro or amateur level..It also tends to curtail the easy run-outs!..I maintain, that if (for instance) pool is ever to become an Olympic sport, the only game that has a prayer of succeeding, will be some form of alternate break 8ball!..9 or 10ball would be a distant second!

Forget straight pool, or one pocket..Although both are very good games, there is not a chance of either one surviving the introduction phase!..1P, as popular as it has become now, is still too complex for the average spectator, and 14.1 can tend to (quite often) be a little too boring!..I would rate even snooker above them, as having a better chance of succeeding in an Olympic environment!
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Dick, if you're good at 14.1 you'll be good at 8ball but not the other way around.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Dick, if you're good at 14.1 you'll be good at 8ball but not the other way around.

Lou Figueroa
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Why would you care Lou?..When is the last time you saw a 14.1 game for over $2 and time...It is a long dead game, and I don't see it ever making a comeback!..If pool is to survive, we need stimulis, not stagnation!:(..Our favorite game is one pocket, but we know that like 14.1, it will never fly as a spectator sport!..Our options appear to be quite limited, don't they?

PS..What do you think of Mo. 8ball, 1 and 15 in a pre-determined side pocket?
 
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SJDinPHX said:
Why would you care Lou?..When is the last time you saw a 14.1 game for over $2 and time...It is a long dead game, and I don't see it ever making a comeback!..If pool is to survive, we need stimulis, not stagnation!:(..Our favorite game is one pocket, but we know that, like 14.1, it will never fly as a spectator sport!..Our options appear to be quite limited, don't they?

PS..What do you think of Mo. 8ball, 1 and 15 in a pre-determined side pocket?
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Speaking as a born, and life long Missourian, I'm all for it.
That was our game of choice when I was a youngster. When things got a little boring we would call for banking the 8-Ball into the appropriate pocket. :smile:
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Speaking as a born, and life long Missourian, I'm all for it.
That was our game of choice when I was a youngster. When things got a little boring we would call for banking the 8-Ball into the appropriate pocket. :smile:
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Thats a bit drastic, isn't it Tramp?..With two good, defensive minded players, a game like that could become even more of a boring 'yawner', than most 14.1 games!..(and could rival 1P for time consumption) :eek:
 
SJDinPHX said:
Why would you care Lou?..When is the last time you saw a 14.1 game for over $2 and time...It is a long dead game, and I don't see it ever making a comeback!..If pool is to survive, we need stimulis, not stagnation!:(..Our favorite game is one pocket, but we know that like 14.1, it will never fly as a spectator sport!..Our options appear to be quite limited, don't they?

PS..What do you think of Mo. 8ball, 1 and 15 in a pre-determined side pocket?
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Dick, tis not a matter of money, nor even competition much less spectators. It's about a game to practice (yes I know, there's the ugly word again) that will improve your winning percentage at games you actually play for money :-)

As to the 1 and 15, while I was growing up in SF that's just the way we played. Didn't call it MO 8ball.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Dick, tis not a matter of money, nor even competition much less spectators. It's about a game to practice (yes I know, there's the ugly word again) that will improve your winning percentage at games you actually play for money :-)

As to the 1 and 15, while I was growing up in SF that's just the way we played. Didn't call it MO 8ball.

Lou Figueroa
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Beg to differ Lou...If pool is ever to grow again, it is ALL about money and spectators, and attracting major sponsor $$$$!..Why are so few people concerned with putting our best foot forward?..My ideas may not be the best, but if steps aren't taken, (and soon) pool will eventually become like horseshoes ..Just a game lots of us used to enjoy! :(

Even though my advanced age has reduced me to 'sweater' status, I am nonetheless consumed with seeing the game I have loved all my life, enjoy a much needed resurrection!..Don't you feel the same way, or are you going to be content just 'practicing' until your arms fall off? :rolleyes: :p
 
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SJDinPHX said:
Beg to differ Lou...If pool is ever to grow again, it is ALL about money and spectators, and attracting major sponsor $$$$!..Why are so few people concerned with putting our best foot forward?..My ideas may not be the best, but if steps aren't taken, (and soon) pool will eventually become like horseshoes ..Just a game lots of us used to enjoy! :(

Even though my advanced age has reduced me to 'sweater' status, I am nonetheless consumed with seeing the game I have loved all my life, enjoy a much needed resurrection!..Don't you feel the same way, or are you going to be content just 'practicing' until your arms fall off? :rolleyes: :p
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Actualy the reason we are falling behind is because we lack in structured teaching and practice ,, if that doesn't get better we will be lucky to have a top 20 player in a few more yrs

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one stroke said:
Actualy the reason we are falling behind is because we lack in structured teaching and practice ,, if that doesn't get better we will be lucky to have a top 20 player in a few more yrs
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The key word there is 'structure'!..There is no structure or real value, in teaching or practicing, per se!..That is an individual pursuit!..It is glaringly obvious, where pool is severely lacking in structure, it is in organizational and promotional areas!

Until we acquire a world governing body, to establish rules, and a functioning group of dedicated professional's, to negotiate with potential sponsors, (like all other sports enjoy)..pool, although it is very popular worldwide, is destined to remain just a glorified 'passtime'!..No TV, no big $$$ sponsors, no big prize funds.. and therefore no incentive to become a full time pro, and earn a living at it!..Its amazing we have the few we have! :cool:
 
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