How so? So all the pros like Darren Appleton would play better with a SW? What do you think is the percentage of Pros who play with a SW? All the rest are under performing? Nice try.
Ko Pin and Predator Cues
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How so? So all the pros like Darren Appleton would play better with a SW? What do you think is the percentage of Pros who play with a SW? All the rest are under performing? Nice try.
SW does not pay players to play with their cues though. No freebees or discounts either.
These Chinese players paid for their SW's. I believe Fong Pao was the first great Taiwan player to play with SW.
Who play with LD shaft without being sponsored? no pro I can think of playing with LD cue and not being sponsor by them. Just give it a thought.
Haha.......I guess I like manual then since I HATE LD SHAFTS.....
The biggest bs to ever hit this forum is to say that LDs somehow make one's game better...
Besides I like my Camy.
It takes me to all the places racing cars go to plus some where they can't go. AND does it so reliably.
So maybe the comparison isn't all that far off :smile: :smile:
Of coarse they are sponsored. Surprise. Do you think they get much more than say 10K a year? Probably less. Do you think they would pay 5K to play 10% better? Does SVB want to play with a Cuetech? Does it matter?
SW are all about the quality, fit, finish and feel....and some marketing. Manual tranny???? No sale.
one can only appreciate a Ferrari if he's capable of driving it to edge where it performs it's best lesser drivers will still find it better in turns better braking and better acceleration it's simply a better handling machine ,,there for it will make them a better driver to some extent but that will be minimal until they practice more ,,
LD shafts aren't fools gold if they were they would have been out of buisness long ago instead of gaining popularity not only with amatures but with pro's
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Hi Scott,
By stopping power I believe they are referring to the amount of movement the white makes on a long straight or slightly off straight shot when striking the cue ball at medium to hard. For example, such as having the white near the bottom pocket on a snooker table and stunning dead straight long blues off of the spot.
This is a common practice routine and some cues will throw the white ball slightly off of the blue spot and others will be able to hold the white more consistently on the blue spot.when playing the identical stroke.
Of course this comes down to cueing as well as the shaft wood and construction and I have found the LD shafts on a pool table tend to throw the ball off more than a high end solid maple shaft.
I use a Black Boar with original shafts and also Vollmer shafts and have a Tad with excellent shaft wood and these cues perform better for me personally on these particular types of strokes than say a Predator shaft.
Similarly if you are playing lets say an 8.5 foot long stun shot in 'one pocket' with the white at the top of the table and have a ball close to the opponents pocket near the bottom cushion on a slight angle. If you wish to play a safety from that distance and stop the white ball dead or with very little movement as soon as it makes contact with the object ball I have found it a lot harder with LD shafts as they tend to throw the white ball slightly off.
Now to put this all into perspective, 'stopping power' is a term that the Taiwanese coach used and not one of my own but this is how I perceive the terminology. As such, I can understand why a coach would want there pupils to play with a particular type of cue which hits in a manner consistent to how the coach teaches cue ball control. If the coach is teaching a certain methodology and is expecting the ball to react in a certain manner then he is going to want the pupils to use similar equipment.
Lastly, I also understand that cueing has a lot to do with this and a good cueist would be able to do it with an LD shaft but the point I believe is that high quality solid shafts can play these types of shots with more consistent results. Likewise Predator shafts can play other shots better than solid maple shafts such as long screw backs IMHO.
Thus, each different type of shafts have there own benefits and different levels of performance. Likewise different cues have their own different levels of performance based on cues overall construction such as have steel or ivory joints etc etc. For example, I have been fortunate to spend a couple of days hitting with 30 odd high end custom cues from new and Predate Southwests, Searing, Black Boar etc and also owned a variety of SE and LE Predator cues and all of the cues had their own particular nuances when playing particular types of shots.
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to cap this off. I have owed at least 10+ Predator cues in the past with 1st and second generation shafts and have also played with a lot of others. In my experience they are not the most consistent shaft built and the specifications are not always the same such as weight, balance etc. Thus, one shaft can hit quite differently from another of the same model.Conversely, the quality management going into the high end custom solid maple shafts I have used tend to have a more constant hit and feel across the board than the production shafts. Some of them also have an almost identical pitch when striking the ball.
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We will never know, however possibly if all of the professional players had access to every type of cue available on the market regardless of the price from LD to custom cues without the sponsorship being a factor it would be interesting to see which cues are preferred from a non bias perspective. Who knows they might all be using Szamboti, Balabushka, Black Boar and Tascarellas or they might prefer the Predator's etc.
One major factor in this is the price issue. When I started playing 9ball I used a snooker cue and later moved to a Predator because I knew nothing about American pool cues and everyone said they were the best cues to use. Why they said this is that i can only presume that they were more affordable and easier to use. I later moved onto a Black Boar and never looked back. But that is just my preference.
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Originally Posted by HelloBaby- View Post
LD shaft is automatic transmission, normal shaft is manual transmission. SW is top of the line racing car. Give it to a Pro they rock together, give it to a amateur they do worst than his Camry.
Total pipe dream
Not necessarily, playing with certain high end cues such as Black Boar can require better cueing as the shafts can be a lot less forgiving than the LD shafts and require more precision when striking the cue ball. Thus, he has a point that if given to a professional with more understanding of the game, better cueing technique and an appreciation of how and why the cue has been constructed in a particular way they will be able to take more advantage of the cues performance intentions than an amateur.
For example, an amature may be used to playing with less forgiving LD equipment as they will tend to strike the ball in the same way they would use a predator and of course will end up being less consistent as the custom cues can hit very differently, particularly when applying a lot of side on long shots.
I have given a high end Black Boar with ferrule-less shafts to some players who play awful with it, simply because they are not allowing the cue to do the work and instead try to force the shots which isn't the way this equipment was designed to be used.
This is not to say that an amateur couldn't learn how to play with the cue after some practice but a professional will have a head start based on their skill and knowledge of the game and precision playing instruments possibly compliment the professionals game more..
Originally Posted by HelloBaby- View Post
LD shaft is automatic transmission, normal shaft is manual transmission. SW is top of the line racing car. Give it to a Pro they rock together, give it to a amateur they do worst than his Camry.
Total pipe dream
Not necessarily, playing with certain high end cues such as Black Boar can require better cueing as the shafts can be a lot less forgiving than the LD shafts and require more precision when striking the cue ball. Thus, he has a point that if given to a professional with more understanding of the game, better cueing technique and an appreciation of how and why the cue has been constructed in a particular way they will be able to take more advantage of the cues performance intentions than an amateur.
For example, an amature may be used to playing with less forgiving LD equipment as they will tend to strike the ball in the same way they would use a predator and of course will end up being less consistent as the custom cues can hit very differently, particularly when applying a lot of side on long shots.
I have given a high end Black Boar with ferrule-less shafts to some players who play awful with it, simply because they are not allowing the cue to do the work and instead try to force the shots which isn't the way this equipment was designed to be used.
This is not to say that an amateur couldn't learn how to play with the cue after some practice but a professional will have a head start based on their skill and knowledge of the game and precision playing instruments possibly compliment the professionals game more..
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Or a Web page with the comparisons. The "club hub" comes to mind lolAt last a useful comparative for the cue buying public, there could be a long list of animals by size and the cue mfrs can place their cue against the picture of animal that it will "stop", of course someone will have to invent a machine that can club the animals in a repeatable fashion (or else the mfrs will cheat and just hit them harder).
I look forward to the response from the RSPCA on that one
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What you read is known as a joke, and a pretty cool one at that.WTF did I just read? Are we talking about wooden sticks that are made by being turned on a lathe here? So much "woo" when it comes to wooden sticks. Dr Dave, we need some SCIENCE
Freddie <~~~ no science required
Actualy the BB ferrule less shafts are LD shafts and if you had a old BB with a ivory Ferrule , Tony will tell you to take that Volkswagen shaft off and put on his Ferrari shaft pretty much a excat quote from him to me ,,
I just stuck a predator shaft on it and the cue plays much better now just like all my other cues
If I had my choice of a expensive cue with a regular shaft of or a cheap cue with a LD shaft to run a rack for all the cheese I'm kicking the expensive cue to the curb to get to cue with the LD shaft
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I would be surprised if the number of unsponsoed players who used non LD outnumbered the ones who use LD. More selection for LD now so the number using predator is probably lower but here is a quote from the old predator webpage:
What do you think the #1 ranked male pool player in the world, the #1 ranked female player in the world, the current men's world 9 ball champion, the current ladies world 9-ball champion and over 50% of the top ranked male pro's in the USA all have in common?.....They all use Predator technology without being paid to do so.
Source:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011213224613/http://www.predatorcues.com/english/proplayers.htm
Just give it a thought.
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Dennis Orcollo went from SW to Tiger Cues.
I'd like to know if someone could please watch parts (or all) of that match and tell me
if Ko Pin-Yi was missing shots BECAUSE he uses a traditional - non LD - shaft.
The link is under the picture in the original post.
After you watch the match and in particular the shots he misses, please give me the
time during the video so I, and the rest of the forum, can see the shot.
Since people say that LDs make their games better and helps them pocket more balls,
I'd like to know what shots Ko missed because he's using a traditional shaft.
if Ko Pin-Yi was missing shots BECAUSE he uses a traditional - non LD - shaft.
The link is under the picture in the original post.
After you watch the match and in particular the shots he misses, please give me the
time during the video so I, and the rest of the forum, can see the shot.
Since people say that LDs make their games better and helps them pocket more balls,
I'd like to know what shots Ko missed because he's using a traditional shaft.
Just want to say that I think it is awesome that one of the best players currently on the planet isnt using an aftermarket super shaft.
Everyone says that. My father has 2 Boars with Ferrule-less shafts and it didnt seem low def at all. I was still compensating for squirt/deflection as I would any other custom cue shaft. The main difference I saw was the feel of the hit. Shit was amazing. Went to my cuemaker and had 2 ferrule-less shafts made for my cue. Hit feels very similar and they arent low def either.
Well Toney himself says that ,, I've put it to the test against my 314 and Z , all on the same cue with a medium speed hit and it was equal to the 314-2 the Z held the line the best , it also had the most spin coming back off the rail I atribute this to the smaller diameter
He cores the end of the shaft also to give it less end mass or so I'm told ,, on my cue the hit was better than the others more feedback ,, however I have another cue infact 2 with a tiger shaft I'd put right there with it , but hits are subjective
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