regarding the apa racking thread

L

lorider

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
In case some of you have not read that thread its about some one complaing about getting bad racks in apa. As usual you have some apa bashers chiming in ....see ...here is another thing wrong way th apa. All those bangers dont know how to give a good rack and others say apa oughta go to rack your own like other leagues.

Got a question about that. What other leagues ? Every bcapl...napa...money league I have played in was loser racks. Dont know about tap or vnea or usapl league. Can you guys that play those leagues chime in and lwt us know if its rack your own?

Most tournaments I have played in was loser racks. Helluva lot of pro tournaments are loser racks. Funny how in pro tournaments she loser racks they can never get a rack to suit the breaker but if its rack your own they can get a perfect rack in 10 seconds.

I ha e another question for you.

Why do you expect higher standards from apa players than you do from other leagues ...or pros for that matter.

You expect a s/l 2 to give you a perfect rack every time when a pro cant even do it.

You say apa oughta be rack your own when most leagues..and most tournaments...even at the pro level are loser racks.

Please explain the logic behind your complaints because I just dont get it.
 
Because all these nits act like they were born running racks. Hell half of the haters don't run racks now. The Apa isn't perfect but they're bringing in more new players to our game then any other entity. Instead of hating on them we should be helping them love and respect so maybe it has a future.
 
I have nothing against the APA and I even play in it sometimes, but they need to allow and promote template racks. Their goal is to stop arguing most of the time and this would stop most of the bad racking. It IS a problem and they aren't addressing it with a simple solution.

It's really hard and not much fun to play with a bad rack most of the time, and good luck to you if you walk over to check the rack. You might be fighting your way out of the joint for doing that.
 
lorider said:
In case some of you have not read that thread its about some one complaing about getting bad racks in apa. As usual you have some apa bashers chiming in ....see ...here is another thing wrong way th apa. All those bangers dont know how to give a good rack and others say apa oughta go to rack your own like other leagues.

Got a question about that. What other leagues ? Every bcapl...napa...money league I have played in was loser racks. Dont know about tap or vnea or usapl league. Can you guys that play those leagues chime in and lwt us know if its rack your own?

Most tournaments I have played in was loser racks. Helluva lot of pro tournaments are loser racks. Funny how in pro tournaments she loser racks they can never get a rack to suit the breaker but if its rack your own they can get a perfect rack in 10 seconds.

I ha e another question for you.

Why do you expect higher standards from apa players than you do from other leagues ...or pros for that matter.

You expect a s/l 2 to give you a perfect rack every time when a pro cant even do it.

You say apa oughta be rack your own when most leagues..and most tournaments...even at the pro level are loser racks.

Please explain the logic behind your complaints because I just dont get it.
Click to expand...


Firstly, you are totally wrong. Every tour I know of is rack your own or referee racks. Almost all BCAPL leagues rack their own. It's rack your own at every BCAPL regional and national tournament. ACS Nationals... rack your own. Etc, Etc, Etc

Secondly, what possible benefit is there to having the opponent rack? The only thing that can happen, other than an acceptable tight rack, is for there to be an argument about the rack. Allowing the player to rack his own removes that possibility.

Rack your own is such a no-brainer. I guess you have to have no brains not so see that.
 
sbpoolleague said:
Firstly, you are totally wrong. Every tour I know of is rack your own or referee racks. Almost all BCAPL leagues rack their own. It's rack your own at every BCAPL regional and national tournament. ACS Nationals... rack your own. Etc, Etc, Etc

Secondly, what possible benefit is there to having the opponent rack? The only thing that can happen, other than an acceptable tight rack, is for there to be an argument about the rack. Allowing the player to rack his own removes that possibility.

Rack your own is such a no-brainer. I guess you have to have no brains not so see that.
Click to expand...

Yea, but nobody likes you.
So I'm really glad for you, you have obviously benefitted playing in and running (rigging?)
your own league and if I were you I'd never play in an APA league, consequently, as you will
never play in an APA league there is no further need for you to comment on it. You've
made your feelings regarding The APA perfectly clear and your feelings and opinion have
been duely noted, now off you go to rack your own. Go on now.... go away......
 
bad_hit said:
I have nothing against the APA and I even play in it sometimes, but they need to allow and promote template racks. Their goal is to stop arguing most of the time and this would stop most of the bad racking. It IS a problem and they aren't addressing it with a simple solution.

It's really hard and not much fun to play with a bad rack most of the time, and good luck to you if you walk over to check the rack. You might be fighting your way out of the joint for doing that.
Click to expand...

The APA does allow the use of template racks. I think the situation in the APA is it's really a night out league and not many players are serious enough to look for and purchase their
own Magic Rack, additionally, I think the majority of APA venues are bars with pool tables.
It is far more cost effective to provide a cheap plastic or wood rack than a supply of template racks. When I take out my magic rack at a league match you"d probably be
surprised (actually, probably not) How many APA players have no idea what that thing is.
Where we play, in our division, if the rack is noticeably loose we just ask for a re rack,
no fight takes place, everyone is pretty good about it
 
Celophanewrap said:
Yea, but nobody likes you.
So I'm really glad for you, you have obviously benefitted playing in and running (rigging?)
your own league and if I were you I'd never play in an APA league, consequently, as you will
never play in an APA league there is no further need for you to comment on it. You've
made your feelings regarding The APA perfectly clear and your feelings and opinion have
been duely noted, now off you go to rack your own. Go on now.... go away......
Click to expand...

Perhaps the problem with pool today is people like you that do not want to do anything to improve the game. You are comfortable wallowing in old habits and rules. The only people that don't like me are the ones on this forum who take offense to my ideas for improving the game. You are right that I will probably never play in an APA league but I have many friends that do and my posts here are an extension of their voice.

Now go rack your own balls.
 
sbpoolleague said:
Perhaps the problem with pool today is people like you that do not want to do anything to improve the game. You are comfortable wallowing in old habits and rules. The only people that don't like me are the ones on this forum who take offense to my ideas for improving the game. You are right that I will probably never play in an APA league but I have many friends that do and my posts here are an extension of their voice.

Now go rack your own balls.
Click to expand...

You don't like the APA, I would hope by now you don't feel as though you're welcome. Maybe racking your own is good in the SBPP because you guys are a bunch of cheating rack mechanics. In the SBAP racking your own probably produces the same results, the same ole' rack mechanics are sinking the same balls on every break. Yes, I can see how playing in the STAP makes you a better player.
No one gets offended, but everyone is tired of hearing it. You have an issue with The APA,
we all get that, because they threw you out or they take your money or whatever. I would bet that if The APA folded over there the STUP would pick up less then 10% of those players, and I seriously doubt that speak for any of the player in the STAB.
Here's an idea, if you really have friends that play in the APA talk to them. You can talk face to face, they probably feel sorry for you so they'll listen, hell, maybe the LO will even adopt your ideas.

And maybe the problem is people like you that offer unsolicited advice when they should be watching their own yard because they don't know every damn thing.
I don't have to rack my own because I play in the APA.
Now, off you go rack boy
 
Last edited:
lorider said:
In case some of you have not read that thread its about some one complaing about getting bad racks in apa. As usual you have some apa bashers chiming in ....see ...here is another thing wrong way th apa. All those bangers dont know how to give a good rack and others say apa oughta go to rack your own like other leagues.

Got a question about that. What other leagues ? Every bcapl...napa...money league I have played in was loser racks. Dont know about tap or vnea or usapl league. Can you guys that play those leagues chime in and lwt us know if its rack your own?

Most tournaments I have played in was loser racks. Helluva lot of pro tournaments are loser racks. Funny how in pro tournaments she loser racks they can never get a rack to suit the breaker but if its rack your own they can get a perfect rack in 10 seconds.

I ha e another question for you.

Why do you expect higher standards from apa players than you do from other leagues ...or pros for that matter.

You expect a s/l 2 to give you a perfect rack every time when a pro cant even do it.

You say apa oughta be rack your own when most leagues..and most tournaments...even at the pro level are loser racks.

Please explain the logic behind your complaints because I just dont get it.
Click to expand...

I play in two leagues that go by VNEA rules and they are both rack your own. I would not like rack for your opponent all that well. You have some people that know how to give a slug rack and you have others that just dont know any better.

As far as pros go though from what I have watched the only tournament that comes to mind that is loser racks is Turning Stone and at every turning stone event there is some kind of issue about it.

There is APA in my area, but it doesnt work with my schedule. I had thought about rearranging my schedule to make it work to play APA, but given that I will likely be moving in about a year I dont see myself doing that. I also dont feel like dealing with my opponent racking for me.
 
sbpoolleague said:
Firstly, you are totally wrong. Every tour I know of is rack your own or referee racks. Almost all BCAPL leagues rack their own. It's rack your own at every BCAPL regional and national tournament. ACS Nationals... rack your own. Etc, Etc, Etc

Secondly, what possible benefit is there to having the opponent rack? The only thing that can happen, other than an acceptable tight rack, is for there to be an argument about the rack. Allowing the player to rack his own removes that possibility.

Rack your own is such a no-brainer. I guess you have to have no brains not so see that.
Click to expand...

I am totally wrong ?

1. Mike zuglans tour..one of the most respected promoters ru. Ing one of the most respected tours is losaer racks.

2. Rack your own is a no brainer and eliminates arguments ? Then why did Dennis o. Take his cue and run it through the rack scattering balls every where ?

3 why is this forum filled with threads complaining about rack mechanics ?

No brainer huh ?
 
Shannon.spronk said:
I play in two leagues that go by VNEA rules and they are both rack your own. I would not like rack for your opponent all that well. You have some people that know how to give a slug rack and you have others that just dont know any better.

As far as pros go though from what I have watched the only tournament that comes to mind that is loser racks is Turning Stone and at every turning stone event there is some kind of issue about it.

There is APA in my area, but it doesnt work with my schedule. I had thought about rearranging my schedule to make it work to play APA, but given that I will likely be moving in about a year I dont see myself doing that. I also dont feel like dealing with my opponent racking for me.
Click to expand...

Thank you for your thoughtful post and honest opinion with out all the my league is better than your league crap.

Again ...thank you very much.

As for turning stone....i agree but just look at the thread about the us open racking issues. I honestly dont remember reading any thread about any tournament that did not have racking issues regardless if its winner or loser breaks.

I think the answer is impartial refs racking without the ability for players to inspect but some people have brought up the probability of biased refs.
 
Celophanewrap said:
The APA does allow the use of template racks. I think the situation in the APA is it's really a night out league and not many players are serious enough to look for and purchase their
own Magic Rack, additionally, I think the majority of APA venues are bars with pool tables.
It is far more cost effective to provide a cheap plastic or wood rack than a supply of template racks. When I take out my magic rack at a league match you"d probably be
surprised (actually, probably not) How many APA players have no idea what that thing is.
Where we play, in our division, if the rack is noticeably loose we just ask for a re rack,
no fight takes place, everyone is pretty good about it
Click to expand...

The league should purchase and supply the racks to the teams. If they lose them, the team captains give the league operator whatever he charges for a new one.
 
Although it was not my intention to stir ahit I mud admit sb's and celo's posts makes for some interesting reading.:grin-square:

What gets me about people lil SB is that everytime some one starts a thread about apa the are quick to jump in and start bashing. I honestly dont have a problem with anyone stating they dont like apa for........ State reason here.

I will be the 1st to admit there are a few things I dont like about apa myself . However I do realize there is no perfect league . They all have good points and bad points.

SB wants to brag about how good his league is ? No problem by me.

Sb wants to say his league allows rack your own and it the bed format. Again no problem cause he is entitled to his opinion and I respect it.

What is the problem is people like him saying things like apa 9 ball is not real 9 ball. That in itself is no problem but they want to totally disregard that bcapl 8 ball is a points based game also. If apa 9 ball is not real 9 ball does it not make bcapl 8 ball not real 8 ball also ?

She that question is asked they start stuttering. But...but but its not played that way at nationals. I agree its not . But but but what about the other 36\ days out of the year :grin-square:. All I ever hear is silence to that question.

He stated most bcapl areas play rack your own. Funny thing we never played rack your own in either 8 or 9 ball bcapl leagues I played in.

Dont get me wrong....i am not bashing bcapl as I think its a fine league although I dint agree with a few rules and I think mark griffin is a good man with the best interest of pool always on his mind.

I just dont care for the holier than thou attitudes of some people thinking their league is the bed thing since moms apple pie and that the apa should not even exist.
 
HawaiianEye said:
The league should purchase and supply the racks to the teams. If they lose them, the team captains give the league operator whatever he charges for a new one.
Click to expand...

That sounds like a workable idea but I honestly dont see the big issue about racking.

Have I gotten my share of bad racks ? Sure have . The thing is...both players have to deal with that slug rack and I believe the better player always wins. If not....the sun will still come up tomorrow.

I never check racks dirk g regular session but always do so at playoffs or higher.

I went to league tonight after starting this thread. We had 10 matches played. 5 each of 8 and 9 ball . No one ever checked a rack..j watched some matches going on at other tables and never saw anyone check a rack.

As for the magic rack....I have never seen anyone use one here during regular season or tri cups.

As the saying goes....the closer to the fabled trip to Vegas gets the more serious people get.

Our lo does all the racking the finals of our cities and be uses the magic rack.
 
lorider said:
That sounds like a workable idea but I honestly dont see the big issue about racking.

Have I gotten my share of bad racks ? Sure have . The thing is...both players have to deal with that slug rack and I believe the better player always wins. If not....the sun will still come up tomorrow.

I never check racks dirk g regular session but always do so at playoffs or higher.

I went to league tonight after starting this thread. We had 10 matches played. 5 each of 8 and 9 ball . No one ever checked a rack..j watched some matches going on at other tables and never saw anyone check a rack.

As for the magic rack....I have never seen anyone use one here during regular season or tri cups.

As the saying goes....the closer to the fabled trip to Vegas gets the more serious people get.

Our lo does all the racking the finals of our cities and be uses the magic rack.
Click to expand...

I watched the APA league yesterday for about an hour after I finished playing for the day.

I would imagine that 90% of them never check the rack. Even the rack they are racking. 50% of them can't hit the rack solidly and wouldn't know if they had a bad rack or not. They are just glad they hit the rack at all with the cue ball.
 
Our BCA is rack your own and after tons of complaining NAPA League Operator went to template racking. Brian.
 
HawaiianEye said:
The league should purchase and supply the racks to the teams. If they lose them, the team captains give the league operator whatever he charges for a new one.
Click to expand...

Workable, and not a bad idea.
One of the problems I've run into with the Magic Rack is that it's confusing to some
people and a lot of times the other team is unfamiliar with the product. Theh will just flat
refuse to use it at all so they won't agree to it. Not everyone is open to a new thing.
 
Celophanewrap said:
Workable, and not a bad idea.
One of the problems I've run into with the Magic Rack is that it's confusing to some
people and a lot of times the other team is unfamiliar with the product. Theh will just flat
refuse to use it at all so they won't agree to it. Not everyone is open to a new thing.
Click to expand...

If they can't figure out how to use a racking template, they shouldn't be allowed to drive to the pool hall.

I can teach a 3-year old to use one in about 2 minutes.

How many of those same people you are talking about have a little teddy bear that they put near the pocket on the 8-ball? If they can figure that out, they can use the rack.
 
Just a quick correction.
In the Pros anyway, with an alternating break format the "loser" may not be racking.
It's just "opponent" racks.
Instead of "rack your own"
 
I hate to say it, but a likely reason you dont see the APA promoting Magic Rack is the same reason they won't use Diamond tables in Vegas....guess who owns at least a part (if not all) of Magic Rack?

The biggest issue I see with rack your own in APA is specifically the level of players....and the wish to prevent cheating. Its been established here that a very high percentage of APA players don't check racks and if they do, its not more that making sure its on the spot and the balls are (mostly) touching.

So then you have the few players that know if they tilt their 8-ball rack just a little, they have a better chance for 8 on the break. Or just a little gap sends that 9 right into the corner. We already know most APA players dont know what to look for, dont we?

Again, this is the APA understanding its customer base and trying to prevent issues where it can. If you are a higher level player, move on and play something else, if you can't stand the way the APA makes their business work. And it does work.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top