Would most players not buy a cue from a cue maker that they have never heard of?

Lets say for example that you see a cue online, that you really love the looks of, but you have never heard of the cue makers name (and even after doing some online research, you still can't find any reviews from players who have tried out a cue from that particular cue maker), would you take a gamble on buying the cue, knowing that you may not like it, and also knowing that you may not be able to resell it (due to the fact that it is from an unknown cue maker)?

Would you much more likely buy the cue if the seller offered a full refund (minus shipping) if you by chance are not happy with the way the cue hits, or for any other reason?

This question pertains to not only used cues, but brand new ones (from a cue maker who you have never heard of, and are unable to find any reviews from players about the cue maker or name brand of the cue) from online retailers, or dealers.

I assume that most online retailers (and maybe even some small time dealers, that sell brand new cues) will offer a full refund, if the cue is returned unchalked, and in the same new condition that it was in, when the seller shipped it out.

Anyways, I am just curious how often you have taken a chance on buying a cue from an unknown cue maker (with no reviews to be found online about the cue maker or name brand of cue), and how much you spent (if you do not mind saying) on the cue?

On a side note, I was just reading about the BeCue, and am wondering how many players out there will take a chance of buying one of their cues, without being able to try one out 1st? I see that the retail price on the line of cues starts at $900 (I think that is what the cue maker posted in another thread, and the price of the cheaper of the 2 models), so even at half price, that is $450, which may be a lot of money (to some players) that are looking to buy a new cue.

I remember the Universal cues (not the cheap ones that retailed for as low as the $200 price range, but the high end line, that retailed in the $1,000 price range, that came standard with the Universal Smart Shaft, which Bill Stroud of Joss West cues helped design, I think).

Those cues were really nice, and the Universal Smart Shaft hit super nice (in my opinion), but sadly, I think the high end line went out of business, and they stopped making the Universal Smart Shaft (which came standard with a Moori tip). I think that one of the top European pro players (I am thinking Niels Feijen?) endorsed that shaft, but even with his support, the shafts sadly did not get enough sales I assume, so they quit making them. My point is that maybe the brand name just sounded too silly to pool players, or maybe most players just did not want to pay the $220(?) price tag for the shaft (that was probably largely unknown here in the US, for the most part of the pool playing population, and most probably preferred to spend their $200 on a Predator shaft instead, because it was widely known to be a great product).

Anyways, just wanted to post some stuff that came to mind.

Thanks for reading.
 
i have bought many cues from makers i didn't know
but i always had good recommendations

Jack Potter introduced me to Balabushka and Szamboti

I bought a south west the first time i saw one,i liked it so much
that i called them and bought several

we became friends and i still buy them

i am not afraid to buy from new cue makers when i am looking to play with the cue
but for an investment i prefer the better known cue makers
 
i have bought many cues from makers i didn't know
but i always had good recommendations

Jack Potter introduced me to Balabushka and Szamboti

I bought a south west the first time i saw one,i liked it so much
that i called them and bought several

we became friends and i still buy them

i am not afraid to buy from new cue makers when i am looking to play with the cue
but for an investment i prefer the better known cue makers

Nice reply. Thanks.
 
A. Holy crap. What a long post for such a simple question.

B. Double negatives make for confusing thread titles.

C. I've bought many "unknown" cues. You mainly find junk, but I've found a few hidden gems by risking the occasional unmarked cues. I can't speak for Most players though.

Hope you find your answered.
 
aside from occasionally giving in to curiosity, i'd never buy a cue that i couldn't make money on. there's no reason not to.
 
A. Holy crap. What a long post for such a simple question.

B. Double negatives make for confusing thread titles.

C. I've bought many "unknown" cues. You mainly find junk, but I've found a few hidden gems by risking the occasional unmarked cues. I can't speak for Most players though.

Hope you find your answered.

Thanks for your reply.

So, I wonder how new cue makers are able to get sales for the cues that they make? I assume that most new (mostly unknown) cue makers do not build a cue, unless it is custom ordered (with a deposit put down, by the buyer). They probably know that if they build a cue that has not been paid for (at least in part), then they may not ever be able to sell it (unless they are willing to take a great deal less then what should be a fair market value of a similar cue from a known and well respected cue maker).

They could just build really nice looking sneaky petes (like Bocote and Ebony going into a really nice piece of Birds Eye Maple) which are pretty popular among a lot of pool players, and might still be able to make a decent profit by charging $300 each for them.

Would you buy a new sneaky (if it was really nice looking, and appeared to be of very good quality) from an unknown cue maker for $300, or what they call a Merry Widow (Ebony forearm, with a birds eye maple handle, and Ebony butt sleeve, for example) for $400?

I am trying to figure out what the market is, for cues coming from a cue maker that 99% of the pool playing population probably never heard of.

Thanks for any thoughts or opinions about this.
 
aside from occasionally giving in to curiosity, i'd never buy a cue that i couldn't make money on. there's no reason not to.

How will the pool cue sport ever grow if most pool players think like you do? How do new cue makers make money? Just by doing cue repairs, and taking in the occasional custom cue order?
 
Not all cues are built to order.

Most makers don't build full splice sneaky petes

Why not? They are universally appealing to pool players (for the most part, I assume). Maybe pool is in a new age where most players just want a cue with some sort of LD shaft attached to it.
 
Many makers just build what they like. People want cues, so they buy them when they become available. Supply and demand. A custom order is not always necessary. On the other hand, some cuemakers are only working to fulfill a backlog of custom orders. Also, not everyone takes a deposit.

If you want to learn more about cues in general, I suggest you lurk in the cue case and gallery, or ask the cuemaker forums. Go find a local repair person dealer, or cuemaker and ask questions.

Also, there's no need to be so specific. Im not sure why you keep mentioning specific wood combos or LD shafts. It doesn't seem to be related with what you're trying to find out.

Here's some advice from my experience working in sales. Ask one or two open-ended questions and you will get many answers. If you ask twenty questions, nobody will want to spend time answering each one. Less is more.
 
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Well...even the cues with names on them-----you really don't know who made them.

Scruggs, Lambros, Meucci, McDermott, Viking, Joss....


:rolleyes:



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I pride myself on playing with the same junk under $100 cue I have had for the last 25 years.
 
How will the pool cue sport ever grow if most pool players think like you do? How do new cue makers make money? Just by doing cue repairs, and taking in the occasional custom cue order?

i don't see what buying a cue from a hole in the wall has to do with the growth of pool.

i buy a cue on the secondary market when i'm curious or feel the quality and expected demand exceed the price, regardless of the builder.

if a new cue maker wants to grow, he puts out a quality product to the local market or a community like this, and he goes from there.

if some import company wants to sell cues in a new market, they enter with loss leaders or they rope suckers.
 
Depends on the buyer. For you, I recommend to NEVER,NEVER, buy ANY cue from ANY maker,(known or unknown). Not unless you're able meet the seller in person, at least 3 different times, should YOU consider buying from ANYONE.

Each time, play with cue at least 1 hour, roll the cue,(together and apart), take a few still shots & video of cue rolling. After these 3 meetings start a thread on here so as to get our opinion of the cue, (we'll let you know whether to buy or pass).

Please include pics/video and most importantly, what YOUR 1st, 2nd, and final impressions of said cue !!!

Good luck on your hunt Justin
 
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Most likely a new cue builder would not make many cues if he waited on a custom order. They get into building because they enjoy it. They have to build cues without orders and let people see them and play with them in order to "get the word out" . Once people start talking, if the cues are good, orders will slowly come in................
 
There's ZERO chance of me ever buying a cue from anyone/anywhere that I didn't get a chance to shoot with, and examine, before buying.

But - that's just me.
 
Depends on the buyer. For you, I recommend to NEVER,NEVER, buy ANY cue from ANY maker,(known or unknown). Not unless you're able meet the seller in person, at least 3 different times, should YOU consider buying from ANYONE.

Each time, play with cue at least 1 hour, roll the cue,(together and apart), take a few still shots & video of cue rolling. After these 3 meetings start a thread on here so as to get our opinion of the cue, (we'll let you know whether to buy or pass).

Please include pics/video and most importantly, what YOUR 1st, 2nd, and final impressions of said cue !!!

Good luck on your hunt Justin
Hahaha, I'd never go that far for a prospective buyer who I didn't know personally. Good luck is right.

I always bought cues and sold the ones I didn't like. I've only kept a few that have a certain "hit".
 
Depends if others have heard of the maker, how popular the maker actually is and what others have to say about 1. his cues and 2. his service.

If I can get no info from anyone, other then the maker himself, then I would pass.

You need to stop looking for these "diamonds in the rough" and actually go buy" a "diamond".
 
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