That's funny... I remember Mosconi advocating the "contact-point-to-contact-point" method... that said I understand your point. To be fair, I can see a half-ball hit fine from short diatance, though I put no thought into it in actual play. But at a long distance it looks like 1/2 the CB is covering over 2/3 of the OB. Or maybe 7/8. It definitely don't look like 1/2 ball when the OB is far away.
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That's funny... I remember Mosconi advocating the "contact-point-to-contact-point" method... that said I understand your point. To be fair, I can see a half-ball hit fine from short diatance, though I put no thought into it in actual play. But at a long distance it looks like 1/2 the CB is covering over 2/3 of the OB. Or maybe 7/8. It definitely don't look like 1/2 ball when the OB is far away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmb5zkLQa0&t=4s
The way to know it's a half ball HIT is to line up the center of the CB to the edge and shoot down that line. You are correct that the half PERCEPTION is not the same as a half ball HIT. Only the cueball rolling down the line formed by the center of the cueball and the edge of the object ball results in a half-ball hit.
I've had my share of back/knee issues. I don't think it's much of an issue... in fact I like that I can see the shot from overhead. Minnesota Fats didn't have much of a crouch...
I understand that, but bring it because that perception does exist.
10 years after learning it and saying his game went up 3 balls,
https://youtu.be/BFNEDDFEtHg
Still can't show how it's really done.
Still not the "accepted" version.
Well, what is?
2 dvd's later, it will finally get revealed in 40-page book????
It's not complicated ?
Even an instructor who teaches it has admitted it's freaking complicated.
Stan himself has said he's studied for some 10 years.
And that only 2 or 3 people really know it.
But, it's not complicated.
Good freaking Lord.
If it is not, we'd all get it by now.
You can't even teach it b/c it's so freaking mind-boggling.
But, it forces your eye and body to the right shot line and makes up for CIT.
Good Lord.
John, when are you going to quit conjuring up hypothetical silly 'gambling wagers', that can never be consumated?..They always involve the time and efforts, of dozens of people you think are eager to prove or disprove, any of your wildest claims!....When are you going to learn? ..NOBODY CARES? (but you, and a few other 'disturbed' pool nuts!)
PS..Your time would be much better spent making new videos, on how even wild apes could easily be taught to use 'CTE'!..BTW, I would be willing to bet you 10K they can't!
They are called thought experiments.
I am never going to "learn" so you might as well get used to me.
If it's any consolation at least I am not Duckie. Poor guy doesn't even know what a half-ball hit is.
We can teach it. Many people know how to use CTE. Even a simple method can be deep with the nuance.
Look how easy GB aiming is, imagine a ghost ball and replace it with the cueball. Easy right? Which is why you need 27 devices and book and videos and coaches to master it.
Have you ever even TRIED to learn it? Show us the proof that you bought the CTE DVD. Show us some video of you applying it.
What don't you understand if you did try to learn it?
OR
Have you not even TRIED to learn it but just enjoy being a knocker. Maybe I should stalk you around and complain about how shitty your cues are even though I have never tried one.
Maybe I should talk about how crappy your cues are constructed even though I have no idea what was done to make one.
Because to me that would be the equivalent of how you continue to knock CTE and those who teach it.
That's funny. Its not really that complicated..do you really understand it?...yes. So you use it?..MMmmm..NO...made up my own version. So you don't understand it? No ...No.. I understand it but can't do it . So how do you know if its not complicated? Easy.. I don't use it. Make sense?
Really?
OK, pls make an accepted video.
Go right ahead.
NOBODY OWNS IT.
Hal is gone.
John, there were TWO people teaching CTE at Hard Times in the late 90's.
One claimed some dude named Marvin in Sacramento INVENTED IT.
Way before you even heard of it.
Go make the OFFICIAL VIDEO HOW IT's DONE.
Don't say " I THINK I GOT IT" after 7 years.
Then another one after 10 years.
Go ahead, show the alignment and pivot.
Pivot to ABC or see. ABC's are on the left only, aren't they?
Don't show hangers.
Put a ball in the foot spot.
Put the cue ball in the kitchen.
Place an overhead camera and let's see how it's done.
IT'S NOT COMPLICATED, you know.
There has been countless threads here and in the aiming section it's obviously not that easy to learn didn't you go out to visit Stan yourself I doubt that was just to shake hands
2 video's and a book multiple YouTube video's trying to explain it including yours
It's hardly a system easy to learn by any stretch of the imagination
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And I didn't learn it 10 years ago. I didn't actually start messing with CTE until around 2011. I learned another system from Hal Houle and used that along with a contact point/back-foot/sight-to-rail method I learned from an old road player to aim with.
Why are you so negative Joey? Why have you made CTE your White Whale? I don't see you going after any other method this vehemently. Do those who use those methods "behave" as you desire them to and never overstep some sort of boundaries you have imposed?
I really don't understand all the hate here for a method of aiming. Are you trying to save the world's pool players from CTE? Are you afraid that they will ruin their games if they dare to try it? Is that your crusade?
I sure don't understand it. I mean I could think you just don't like me and you would have good reason for that given all the times I have soundly defeated your absurd comments but I think that you have some deep seated hatred for CTE and really any systems that are associated with Hal Houle.
Can you show us on this cue stick where Hal touched you?
Actually it was to shake hands. I had no need to go to Stan at all in order to LEARN anything new about CTE that I couldn't get from his videos. We were on a road trip and I made sure to go and spend time with him and just make sure I was doing it right so to speak and also to pick up any extra tips. But mostly there to visit and talk shop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn7KszAWRso
Again, still waters run deep. Pool itself is easy to learn and hard to master. CTE is easy to learn and hard to master. Ghost ball is easy to learn and hard to master.
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Nah, I don't think so. Sorry Joey but I simply don't believe you. Hal wasn't teaching anything in 2002 that anyone called CTE that I know of. He certainly didn't teach me anything that I remember as starting with the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball.
I have a friend who has a stack of notes written by Hal that go way back. She spent a lot of time with Hal. I have a project to document whatever I can about Hal and I suppose that I will find out a lot more about who he taught and influenced over what period of time.
But that doesn't even matter. What matter NOW is what do we know and how do we transmit that knowledge. So far we have been effective at transmitting it through video and in-person demonstration and lessons. It's taken a while for CTE to gain traction but each day more people are learning it and using it to improve their aiming.
Arguing with you is literally a waste of time, a luxury that I an others indulge in. Almost no one is "learning" CTE through AZB thanks to you and your small circle of knockers. Where they are learning is through the videos on YouTube and through video chats, and through private conversations and in-person lessons and in group sessions. While you spend time looking for posts to "knock" on here CTE is thriving.
I bet you were a joy to be around when anyone at Hard Times was teaching aiming methods you didn't approve of. I can imagine you on the sideline chirping at them in a condescending tone. Guys like you are the least desirable patrons in a pool room. We called them negative nellies when we were being nice.
Good for you. You are not me so your pain is your pain and mine is mine. I am happy to hear that you are not having much of a problem.
Huh? Bring what?
Bring it up... freakin' cell phones...
I guess there will be no video explaining how simple it is from you.
John, why can't you just be honest when it comes to this?
Worse , you keep flip-flopping.
This is just another thread showing your incessant hyping of that system.
The original poster has already admitted he needs to work on his mechanic and setup. And you want him to learn a pivot system.
One instructor who teaches CTE has already admitted to it being complicated.
And being confused by the first DVD.
Even though he already knew how to do it.
And he's admitted it's tough enough to get on the aiming line without pivots.
2,000.
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Way back when I learned to play pool, we used a system called "Don't You Miss Balls Aiming Shot System". The acronym was DUMBASS.
Our saying was, "If you can't learn DUMBASS, maybe you should try another sport".
Our saying was, "If you can't learn DUMBASS, maybe you should try another sport".
Aiming is NOT complicated!
Describing the intracasies of what happens at high levels of pro aiming, though, is extremely complicated. I can talk anyone through the process NOW in a manner of 5 minutes or so.
We have all heard pros say that I do not know how I aim. They are not lying for the most part. They really don't know their own details of alignment. Most pros start off at ball address with an OFFSET to center and are not even aware of it. They have virtually no clue what transpires between BA and full stance
CTE is a measured explanation for offsetting at ball address and what subsequently occurs on the way down and during full stance. It has taken me years to unravel all of the visual and physical particulars for CTE but I have done so. Much of what I will explain, many of YOU are already doing but have never been aware of it. So, It may very well help many of you..CTE or not.
NO ONE has the power to make me feel bad or guilty for undertaking to contribute knowledge to the game that most of us love.
Plenty of players are using important aspects of CTE quite successfully such as my son but he does not have the explanation level that I have come to understand.
So, YES, CTE is complicated on one hand but on the other hand, the playing hand, absolutely not. I am glad that I set out to totally grasp the one CTE that exist. It has been worthwhile and I think most of you will be pleased with my forthcoming work.
And, it's not about money as the major findings will be free via online.
Stan Shuffett
Describing the intracasies of what happens at high levels of pro aiming, though, is extremely complicated. I can talk anyone through the process NOW in a manner of 5 minutes or so.
We have all heard pros say that I do not know how I aim. They are not lying for the most part. They really don't know their own details of alignment. Most pros start off at ball address with an OFFSET to center and are not even aware of it. They have virtually no clue what transpires between BA and full stance
CTE is a measured explanation for offsetting at ball address and what subsequently occurs on the way down and during full stance. It has taken me years to unravel all of the visual and physical particulars for CTE but I have done so. Much of what I will explain, many of YOU are already doing but have never been aware of it. So, It may very well help many of you..CTE or not.
NO ONE has the power to make me feel bad or guilty for undertaking to contribute knowledge to the game that most of us love.
Plenty of players are using important aspects of CTE quite successfully such as my son but he does not have the explanation level that I have come to understand.
So, YES, CTE is complicated on one hand but on the other hand, the playing hand, absolutely not. I am glad that I set out to totally grasp the one CTE that exist. It has been worthwhile and I think most of you will be pleased with my forthcoming work.
And, it's not about money as the major findings will be free via online.
Stan Shuffett
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Just show me a pic of one......
And yes, you do gave a learning problem.......admitting it, like you did, is the first stage of recovery.
This post has the same tone as a sermon from a preacher. Just the right amount of intrique and promise sprinkled in.