How do you know you need an Aiming System?

denwhit said:
You made my point again. I never said l "supported myself" by playing pool. When we needed money, I knew I could go down and win $20-30 playing pool at the bar where there were multiple pool tables at maybe $2-3 @ game in a 4-5 hour session. Twisting my words like that make it sound like I'm a lot better than I am and THAT has been the problem with some on here. Twist, distort, fabricate and trying to make me eat words I did not write.
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BS.

You quite clearly said that you would gamble at pool when you were broke to get money as a newlywed. How can winning money gambling at pool when you're broke be construed as anything else than supporting yourself playing pool?! You never mention winning a few bucks at pool to supplant your job at whatever.

You are not the first guy to come on here and claim they supported themselves, or put themselves through school, by gambling at pool. It's practically a meme.

Lou Figueroa
 
denwhit said:
I am not personally looking for an aiming system. I just started this thread wondering how others came to the conclusion that they did.... My pool teacher says I am just fine and we have proved it by setting up the shots and making micro adjustments to hit the different segments of the pocket. Still, long cross table back cut shots are hard and I wish they were easier. But, don't we all?
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I agree. Most shots close together with an easy pocket view are rather easy,distance is a killer, Back cuts are among the toughest.(the ones without the view of the pocket) The whole shot picture an no pocket becomes a tougher task.
 
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lfigueroa said:
BS.

You quite clearly said that you would gamble at pool when you were broke to get money as a newlywed. How can winning money gambling at pool when you're broke be construed as anything else than supporting yourself playing pool?! You never mention winning a few bucks at pool to supplant your job at whatever.

You are not the first guy to come on here and claim they supported themselves, or put themselves through school, by gambling at pool. It's practically a meme.

Lou Figueroa
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I never said or implied that. I sold real estate and had bad months when I just started out. I said I could always win a few bucks by knowing who was better than me and moving on to another table. Never said "supported".
 
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8pack said:
He could be just camera shy.:)
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LOL. I think more like skill and execution limited. If they were making a movie and he had some bit part of a street urchin playing pool to support his wife, the Director would be screaming all day long for weeks, CUT! CUT! CUT! RETAKE! RETAKE! RETAKE!
 
denwhit said:
I never said or implied that. I sold real estate and had bad months when I just started out. I said I could always win a few bucks by knowing who was better than me and moving on to another table. Never said "supported".
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Playing for money when you need money is the exact thing SUPPORT means.
 
8pack said:
I agree. Most shots close together with an easy pocket view are rather easy,distance is a killer, Back cuts are among the toughest.(the ones without the view of the pocket) The whole shot picture an no pocket becomes a tougher task.
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Maybe try and use a larger shot picture to include the pocket to make it easier.
 
BC21 said:
I really enjoy your responses. I laugh out loud when I read them! CRACKLE CRACK CRACK CRACKLE! lol

Well guess what, you get to see it again. CRACKLE, CRACK, CRACK, CRACKLE with the brain synapse going haywire.

I'm also starting to think the word CRACK has more meaning than just a sound. I mean you are and have been in a rock band for a long time and we all know what goes on there. Not saying you actually took or did anything yourself but you might have been affected second-hand. :D

When I said I have no reason to doubt him, it's because it doesn't concern me. It's none of my business if he wants to meet up with Lou for some friendly races. That's between Dennis and Lou, not Dennis and Lou and Dave and Brian and whoever else....

It has nothing to do with your personal concern or him meeting up with Lou. It has to do with most everything he says is a complete and total fabrication or truth. There are so many holes, inconsistencies, new stories that come out to cover up his original posts that it's turning into a comedy series to be aired on national TV.

No one, other than Dennis and Lou, has any reason to probe into anything​ here, other than for the sheer malicious intent of it. That's not how I roll. I have NO REASON to question what anyone says unless it somehow affects me or pertains to me.

Good for you. But that's not the way it slides in a REAL POOL ROOM or on POOL FORUMS. He's starting to sound like a wannabe Fast Larry with all the new additions to the original posts. Next thing we'll see is he played at the first get together at Johnson City. You're new to pool forums yourself Brian.
This is how it rolls and has always rolled.

I don't know how many times I've heard the classic tale, "I used to play all the time, even paid my way through college back in the day". Knowing it's more than likely a lie, or a grand elaboration of a tiny sliver of truth, doesn't send me into a pompous tirade to discredit the person. I simply nod my head and move on. No REASON to call bullshit, especially if the guy is actually telling the truth, regardless of how unbelievable it may seem.
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Sounds like you believe in Tinker Bell and the Tooth Fairy also.
Maybe even have every Boy Scout award that can be given. I don't want to be you and you don't want to be me. I understand.

And he DID tell the TRUTH when he posted the following:

"Played a lot of snooker as a 16-18 year old and that's it."

"I've only been back to pool about 2.5 years now after 50 year layoff except for the occasional 8-9 ball games in the military."

All the rest that came out or is now coming out is BULLCRAP and DAMAGE CONTROL.
 
denwhit said:
I never said or implied that. I sold real estate and had bad months when I just started out. I said I could always win a few bucks by knowing who was better than me and moving on to another table. Never said "supported".
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A completely new story and fabrication to the rest of it. You said you only played pool occasionally while in the military after nothing but snooker between ages 16-18.

What happened to NOT playing pool for 50 years except for a few times in the military.

You don't sell real estate and serve in the military at the same time. So now we have a new addendum and phase of life coming into play during the 50 years of supposed inactivity to bring in your hustling phase. Oh boy!
 
In most pool rooms only the mouth-runners act like teenage girls, always pointing and giggling and talking trash about the fat girls. Lol.

I may be a new AZ member, but I'm no newbie to pool forums and real pool rooms. With the exception of normal pool hall negotiation language, and friendly jabs at each other, I've never been in a real pool room with as many negative, disrespectful, in-your-face style characters as I've noticed here in this fine forum. I realize it's easy to be obnoxious online, but in a real-life setting some of the comments and accusations here would result in violence. :eek:
 
denwhit said:
I'm guessing 1/2 of the pool players on here are better than me. I've never said I'm a good pool player. Just fair but trying to get better.
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You never said you were a good pool player? BULLSHIT AGAIN!

You said you were an "A" player in league but in reality probably a HIGH "B" based on east coast vs. west coast rankings. THAT IS A GOOD PLAYER. Here is YOUR POST:

"I found out I would not be considered an "A" player on the East Coast. I'm probably a high "B" player at 9 ball. APA 8 level two years ago when I played league. Around here, they wont let me play in the "B" level tournaments but that does not mean I'm an "A" player as someone on here so graciously pointed out. My pool teacher says East coast "As" are way better than west coast "As".

Even more incredible is the fact you were and BECAME an "A" PLAYER in your league 2 YEARS AGO. That means you acquired those skills from a 50 year layoff in 6 months from when you started playing pool again which was 2 1/2 years ago!

You were at POINT ZERO when starting back at age 68 to an "A" in 6 months. INCREDIBLE!

Now you're saying 1/2 of everyone on here can probably beat an "A" PLAYER hustler.

You also posted the following: "My best is 3 racks of 9 ball on my 9' table with 4.5" corners, 4 & 5/8" sides. 5 racks playing 9 ball on 7' Diamond tables. So guess I'm a low B player also.

I don't think 1/2 of everyone on here can run 3 racks of 9 ball on a 9' table with 4.5" corners and 4 5/8" sides as well as 5 racks of 9 ball on a 7' Diamond table.

THIS I would like to see on video and I'm sure everyone else would too.

 
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BC21 said:
In most pool rooms only the mouth-runners act like teenage girls, always pointing and giggling and talking trash about the fat girls. Lol.

I may be a new AZ member, but I'm no newbie to pool forums and real pool rooms. With the exception of normal pool hall negotiation language, and friendly jabs at each other, I've never been in a real pool room with as many negative, disrespectful, in-your-face style characters as I've noticed here in this fine forum. I realize it's easy to be obnoxious online, but in a real-life setting some of the comments and accusations here would result in violence. :eek:
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Give me a break! I don't know what kind of pool rooms you played in over the years but the ones I've been in had more trash talking, woofing, and nose to nose badgering than two world champion fighters doing a press conference to hype the up and coming fight on national TV.

Maybe you played in all the civil family pool rooms but I and I think a good number of others here played in some rough, tough rooms. Most of it was for show to begin with to get the edge for betting purposes as well as get into the other guy's head but it's all part of the game. Well, there was some pushing and shoving and an occasional punch thrown.
 
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BC21 said:
Mosconi's book did not contain fractional aiming. He specifically says to aim for the point where the line from the pocket comes through the back of the object ball. In other words, contact point on the OB. The fractions he shows in the book are to demonstrate the basic hits that occur on certain shots. No fractional aim points given or suggested.
Of course Mosconi didn't do any math. Lol. His book contained ZERO mathematics and ZERO fractional aiming. I have the book. Not sure where your info comes from, but it's far off from the truth, other than traditional fractional aiming involving guesswork. Nowadays a little book called Poolology takes the guessing out.
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You better get a new book daddy.
(These pages from Mosconi's little book are quite simple to locate on Google, thereby demonstrating my point.)
Mosconi states under Sighting The Object Ball
"Most players, even beginners, can sight an object ball with relation to the angle of aim and shoot the ball into the pocket. However, all shots can be figured mathematically, so to speak, so let's leave nothing to chance." (emphasis mine). Fig. 38 explains our point.
Then we see the photo showing 6 lines of hits.
Next he presents the time worn line drawing chart showing the fractional hits for full, 3/4 right, 1/2 right, 1/4 right, thin on right side. If that's not arithmetic/ mathematic type thinking I don't know what it is. (And I don't believe he did any of it in action, either...it was just good as a filler to help sell books)
Very similiar to the gobbledy-gook presented in that sterling epic "Poolology"...only it gets even more complex in there with something new to study and remember, "zones" on the table. Man oh man....put me back on the tip jar.
I showed the "Poolology" to a few of the hitters over at the Huntsville tournament this past weekend. To the man, they found it laughable. As I've stated, in my opinion, you're not qualified to preach on this subject.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
A completely new story and fabrication to the rest of it. You said you only played pool occasionally while in the military after nothing but snooker between ages 16-18.

What happened to NOT playing pool for 50 years except for a few times in the military.

You don't sell real estate and serve in the military at the same time. So now we have a new addendum and phase of life coming into play during the 50 years of supposed inactivity to bring in your hustling phase. Oh boy!
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NOW, let's hear your story (so we can scoff, laugh, twist, distort and repost). Start with how YOU served our Country. Iraq time? Afghanistan? How did you get your start in pool? How did long did it take for you to become the AZB truth detector? What is your level in all the games? By the way you talk, I'm quite sure You're a master, right? Let's read it!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Give me a break! I don't know what kind of pool rooms you played in over the years but the ones I've been in had more trash talking, woofing, and nose to nose badgering than two world champion fighters doing a press conference to hype the up and coming fight on national TV.
Maybe you played in all the civil family pool rooms but I and I think a good number of others here played in some rough, tough rooms. Most of it was for show to begin with to get the edge for betting purposes as well as get into the other guy's head but it's all part of the game. Well, there was some pushing and shoving and an occasional punch thrown.
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You are correct.
But, most of the genuine trouble takes place in the alley or the parking lot when someone tries to leave with their winnings
In Grady Matthews' book and in Jay Helfert's book(s)...even in Earl Strickland Story Video, the topics of fights, guns, drugs, whores, and all the rest that has been associated with pool rooms is well discussed.
Anyone who doubts it, is living in la-la land and hasn't been around very much.
 
denwhit said:
NOW, let's hear your story (so we can scoff, laugh, twist, distort and repost). Start with how YOU served our Country. Iraq time? Afghanistan? How did you get your start in pool? How did long did it take for you to become the AZB truth detector? What is your level in all the games? By the way you talk, I'm quite sure You're a master, right? Let's read it!
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I've been on here for 11 years. Never made up lies, boasted about playing, and printed all the false hoods that you have.

If I had, EVERYONE on here would have been on my case like the stink on dog
crap. It's NEVER happened. But it's happened with you because a bunch of guys, not just me, can smell bull crap 10 miles away and that's why you're getting hammered from every direction.

I have made videos for shot accuracy and execution like in Colin's potting test or others, I have made videos about how to pivot and other areas regarding CTE or 90/90 for the BENEFIT of those interested and wanting to learn more.

Where are your videos? All you end up doing is make excuse after excuse as to why you won't do them.

Everyone used to call Fast Larry a FRAUD. Now we have you.
 
SpiderWebComm said:


Even more incredible is the fact you were and BECAME an "A" PLAYER in your league 2 YEARS AGO. That means you acquired those skills from a 50 year layoff in 6 months from when you started playing pool again which was 2 1/2 years ago!


I don't think 1/2 of everyone on here can run 3 racks of 9 ball on a 9' table with 4.5" corners and 4 5/8" sides as well as 5 racks of 9 ball on a 7' Diamond table.

THIS I would like to see on video and I'm sure everyone else would too.
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So, let me get this correct; If someone posts, that their all time record is running 3 racks on a 9' table, you instantly want them to make a video of them running 3 racks!! I realize you're challenged but does anything strange pop out about what you are asking for?
 
BC21 said:
In most pool rooms only the mouth-runners act like teenage girls, always pointing and giggling and talking trash about the fat girls. Lol.

I may be a new AZ member, but I'm no newbie to pool forums and real pool rooms. With the exception of normal pool hall negotiation language, and friendly jabs at each other, I've never been in a real pool room with as many negative, disrespectful, in-your-face style characters as I've noticed here in this fine forum. I realize it's easy to be obnoxious online, but in a real-life setting some of the comments and accusations here would result in violence. :eek:
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I have played in several rooms where the talk is occassionally far worse than what goes on here, rooms where your fists have to be prepared to cash whatever checks your mouth writes. Even so, I'd agree that most pool players are friendly sorts and the majority of the verbal sparring that takes place is just that.

If you were alluding to me in your post, I'd agree what I said in a couple of my last posts was a tad harsh. But we all knew he was never going to play and that he was looking for the exit the second I invited him to play in STL. He even edited his original post deleting details of his visit to St. Louis and it was only because his original post was captured in a quote by someone else that I saw it.

I thought that after he committed he'd stay true to his word and at least play a few cheap sets and then pull up. But when he tried to put it on me -- attempting to make it sound as if I were trying to high roll him -- that got under my skin. I'm not interested in hammering him any more. It started out as good, clean fun but turned into something else when he repeatedly tried to maintain and defend the facade he'd created. He could have just said, "No thanks, I'm not that good." Would have saved us all a lot of time and gnashing of teeth.

Lou Figueroa
 
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