14.1 Stats -- 2017 World Tournament, Round-Robin Matches, Oct. 2017

Yes, but not without a few "words" between them about Danny's pace of play. But Danny played well, with runs of 46, 42, 41, 34.

Any news on Robles vs Fulcher?
..Fulcher is an amazing man.
 
Any news on Robles vs Fulcher?
..Fulcher is an amazing man.

Dr. Fulcher won 200-84. He had a 41 and a couple of 38's. Tony had a 42, but otherwise it was a really tough match for him, including some surprising misses and some bad rolls.
 
Runs in the 40's? Mizerak and Sigel would have murdered these guys. They were far superior players to the ones currently contesting this "World Championship."
 
Runs in the 40's? Mizerak and Sigel would have murdered these guys. They were far superior players to the ones currently contesting this "World Championship."

Pretty sure that Sigel and the Miz didn't play on 4.5 inch pockets....
....and I think that includes the side pockets...which is ridiculous....
...shallow angles into the sides are traps..even with a shallow shelf.

....but history has been made in this tournament, I think.
in the last four, we have a physicist....Jonni Fulcher.....
...he has won Euro snooker and nine-ball tournaments....
...he's a musician...
...all this in his spare time when he's not working on the Cern tunnel...
...man's a polymath.

His favorite break ball?....a Hadron Collider...:)
 
Runs in the 40's? Mizerak and Sigel would have murdered these guys. They were far superior players to the ones currently contesting this "World Championship."

Do you mean just those two guys -- Mizerak and Sigel -- were far superior? Or do you mean the fields of yore were far superior to today's fields?

I'm not sure I would agree with either one. Yes, the field for this year's 14.1 World event was not particularly deep. As always, these "World" events contain quite a few players who do not really belong in what purports to be a world championship. But I feel the best entrants -- Hohmann, Appleton, Immonen, Schmidt -- would have been competitive with the best 14.1 players of any era.

I remember a few years ago in an event when Hohmann was making one long run after another. Danny DiLiberto and Pat Fleming opined that Hohmann might be the best 14.1 player ever.

But even the top players don't always run hundreds. Don't forget the 1973 US Open Championship finals -- Mizerak vs. Lassiter. It has been cited (by R. A. Dyer and Charlie Ursitti, for example) as one of the key reasons for the death of 14.1 on TV. Neither player made any significant runs and the first game to 150 points (Lassiter had to beat Mizerak twice, but didn't) went over 4 hours.
 
Runs in the 40's? Mizerak and Sigel would have murdered these guys. They were far superior players to the ones currently contesting this "World Championship."
Totally agree. The top 3-4 can really play but a lot of this yrs. field aren't even short-stops. Pocket-size wouldn't matter either. Miz or Siegel would torture these guys.
 
Hohmann just trailed Immonen by 96 (after runs of 68 and 55 by Immonen), but Hohmann stepped up and ran 112 & out.
 
Totally agree. The top 3-4 can really play but a lot of this yrs. field aren't even short-stops. Pocket-size wouldn't matter either. Miz or Siegel would torture these guys.

Pocket size means a LOT.
 
Hohmann's event-high run of 112 didn't last long. Lee Vann Corteza ran 130 in his match with Max Eberle.

[But Lee Vann missed; Thorsten didn't.]
 
Do you mean just those two guys -- Mizerak and Sigel -- were far superior? Or do you mean the fields of yore were far superior to today's fields?

I'm not sure I would agree with either one. Yes, the field for this year's 14.1 World event was not particularly deep. As always, these "World" events contain quite a few players who do not really belong in what purports to be a world championship. But I feel the best entrants -- Hohmann, Appleton, Immonen, Schmidt -- would have been competitive with the best 14.1 players of any era.

I remember a few years ago in an event when Hohmann was making one long run after another. Danny DiLiberto and Pat Fleming opined that Hohmann might be the best 14.1 player ever.

But even the top players don't always run hundreds. Don't forget the 1973 US Open Championship finals -- Mizerak vs. Lassiter. It has been cited (by R. A. Dyer and Charlie Ursitti, for example) as one of the key reasons for the death of 14.1 on TV. Neither player made any significant runs and the first game to 150 points (Lassiter had to beat Mizerak twice, but didn't) went over 4 hours.

I mean Mizerak and Sigel were better Straight Pool players period. Not only could they produce high runs, they had a superior knowledge of playing the pack and safety play. The competition was tougher for them as well, with deep fields of good players; Varner, Hopkins, Rempe, Martin, Fusco, Diliberto, Lassiter, Crane (he was still active into his 60's), Butera, Mataya, Colavita, Jersey Red, Boston Shorty, Ed Kelly, Richie Florence, Gene Nagy, Mike Zuglan and several others that I may be forgetting right now. And Mizerak dominated these fields, often averaging over 50 balls an inning! He was The Man in the 1970's and early 80's.

The biggest weakness I see with today's players is a lack of knowledge about how to play the pack (how the balls interact specifically) and only fair safety play. If Miz or Sigel played safe, usually you had no out! JMHO as always. :D
Today's players seem more focused on making a big run then on playing the best overall game possible.
 
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