Peace proposal

[stan shuffett]

We all see things differently.

Lou Figueroa

Your understanding of aiming is cartoonish.

We all construct what see by the same visual rules. That's is why we all see a 2x1,table with pockets and pool balls to play with.

The reason you think that everyone sees differently is because when YOU line up, you truly do not see anything, you see nothing because you are not working with objectivity but rather a feel based on a million plus shots.

What you are really saying is that everyone feels the shot differently. When a player sees center to center there is no feel or seeing center to center differently and the same idea transfers directly to the alignments of CTE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[SpiderWebComm]

These drawing illusions to produce movement, size differences, etc. are neat and fun to observe. They don't apply to pool balls in the same way.

But what are the various illusions and differences we pool players have that don't coincide with another player when it comes to sighting or aligning two balls?

I'll start it off. Ghost Ball. I cannot for the life of me see or imagine where the center of a Ghost Ball is supposed to be next to another ball. It's inaccurate as hell from my perspective as well as useless.

Distance between two balls can make one look larger and another smaller. I think everyone sees the size difference caused by distance.

Can everyone see the CB and an OB? Can you differentiate the difference between the two? (I hope we can all see that! The CB is WHITE and the OBs have colors and numbers)

If you place a CB or OB on the table, can you see the CENTER of both balls? Can you see the edges of both balls?

Now if you move to the right or the left by 1-2 inches can you still see the center and edges of the balls? Of course you can but it will now be a different center and edge than you originally saw from the 1-2 inches where you were.

It's pretty much the foundation of what Hal originally said to me which is they are "rotating centers and edges" when I asked him "how in the hell can I be making balls with different cut angles by aiming in the same place as I did the previous one? This doesn't make sense and is impossible." He said, "You aren't.
They're different centers and edges."

OK, everybody else's turn to chime in.

 

[BC21]

These drawing illusions to produce movement, size differences, etc. are neat and fun to observe. They don't apply to pool balls in the same way.

But what are the various illusions and differences we pool players have that don't coincide with another player when it comes to sighting or aligning two balls?

I'll start it off. Ghost Ball. I cannot for the life of me see or imagine where the center of a Ghost Ball is supposed to be next to another ball. It's inaccurate as hell from my perspective as well as useless.

Distance between two balls can make one look larger and another smaller. I think everyone sees the size difference caused by distance.

Can everyone see the CB and an OB? Can you differentiate the difference between the two? (I hope we can all see that! The CB is WHITE and the OBs have colors and numbers)

If you place a CB or OB on the table, can you see the CENTER of both balls? Can you see the edges of both balls?

Now if you move to the right or the left by 1-2 inches can you still see the center and edges of the balls? Of course you can but it will now be a different center and edge than you originally saw from the 1-2 inches where you were.

It's pretty much the foundation of what Hal originally said to me which is they are "rotating centers and edges" when I asked him "how in the hell can I be making balls with different cut angles by aiming in the same place as I did the previous one? This doesn't make sense and is impossible." He said, "You aren't.
They're different centers and edges."

OK, everybody else's turn to chime in.

Good points. But also, when you pick up a 15 degree CTE perception, you can move straight in from there, closer to the CB (changing the perspective), and stumble onto the 30 degree perception.

 

[BC21]

You see nothing special about CTE aiming and you never will, the same for Lou and Dan and a few others. I don't give a damn about your opinion.
In a previous post, a few months back, you clearly stated that you did not spend much time at all with CTE.
It will be thousands over time that really look at CTE from a motivated perspective that really matter. The CTE approach is not even remotely close to other systems as you assert.
Again, it's laughable to me how often that you feel the need to go negative against my work when you don't know squat about it.

And furthermore, I can show the specialness of CTE using pucks or circles. A sphere is not a requirement. We use pool balls for pleying/aiming and yes, it's at the equator where the specialness that occurs.

You also keep mentioning perspective as if we all can have slightly different takes on perception.
A zero center to center alignment can be seen and known by most anyone. Everyone can see a zero perception as long as they can get their vision into a specific location in space for the proper c to c perspective. The perceptions of 15 30 and 45 and even 60 can be known just as the zero c to c can be known for traditional aiming. It's all about getting one's into the proper location in space. Since ever shot can engage a 15 30 45, it does not take long for learning how to see the CTE perceptions.

Stan Shuffett

You are wrong. To me that's a close-minded assumption, to say that I never will see anything special about cte. I already see something special about it, I just don't get it. The specialness is not aiming with spheres as you state in your video clips numerous times. It is in that final step just before sweeping or pivoting to CCB, where you say to come straight in after the perception "fixes" the CB. Straight in referencing what? You don't have to answer, I'll wait on the book. I mean, if there's something special here that I'm just missing out on, I'd rather pay for the secret knowledge because you've earned it.

And yes, years ago I spent about a week with dvd1. And I've watched every youtube clip you have, some multiple times. That constitutes many many hours. I'm not saying anything negative about CTE or your work with it. In fact, I have complimented you on your videos, never bad-mouthed your work it belittled it in any way. I have questioned certain aspects, but that's par for the course when you go public with anything.

What you are calling negative is simply me pointing out that some of the statements or words used when describing CTE are simply not accurate. Your idea of objectivity is based on your own skill level and playing experience. You assume your subjective knowledge is common knowledge among most players, so you call it objective, saying things 'like anyone can tell if a shot is a little thick or a little thin.' I agree, anyone with EXPERIENCE can tell.

As far my kick on the term "perception".....a perception is something mentally perceived, which can be different from person to person. A visual perspective is a particular point of view that can be seen by anyone with eyes. Visually, a perception is subjective while a perspective is objective. But I don't expect you to change any terminology this late into the game.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Good points. But also, when you pick up a 15 degree CTE perception, you can move straight in from there, closer to the CB (changing the perspective), and stumble onto the 30 degree perception.

I'm more interested in you explaining how a person can use a center ball CB visual to move around the equator of the OB fractions to see shots and make them accurately as well as where do you go when the edge of the OB ends and there are a hell of a lot more cut angles to cover.

Lay it on me.

 

[stan shuffett]

You are wrong. To me that's a close-minded assumption, to say that I never will see anything special about cte. I already see something special about it, I just don't get it. The specialness is not aiming with spheres as you state in your video clips numerous times. It is in that final step just before sweeping or pivoting to CCB, where you say to come straight in after the perception "fixes" the CB. Straight in referencing what? You don't have to answer, I'll wait on the book. I mean, if there's something special here that I'm just missing out on, I'd rather pay for the secret knowledge because you've earned it.

And yes, years ago I spent about a week with dvd1. And I've watched every youtube clip you have, some multiple times. That constitutes many many hours. I'm not saying anything negative about CTE or your work with it. In fact, I have complimented you on your videos, never bad-mouthed your work it belittled it in any way. I have questioned certain aspects, but that's par for the course when you go public with anything.

What you are calling negative is simply me pointing out that some of the statements or words used when describing CTE are simply not accurate. Your idea of objectivity is based on your own skill level and playing experience. You assume your subjective knowledge is common knowledge among most players, so you call it objective, saying things 'like anyone can tell if a shot is a little thick or a little thin.' I agree, anyone with EXPERIENCE can tell.

As far my kick on the term "perception".....a perception is something mentally perceived, which can be different from person to person. A visual perspective is a particular point of view that can be seen by anyone with eyes. Visually, a perception is subjective while a perspective is objective. But I don't expect you to change any terminology this late into the game.

Bottom line: You are a complete novice when it comes to CTE. You have little to no table experience. If you had to do a 10 minute video of shooting 3 racks of 9 balls and calling ou the visuals and pivot directions, you'd be all over the place....LOST...but yet here you are piping out like you know everything about CTE except the final piece of how to get to CCB. Just let it go!! Spend your time answering Spider's question.
As for my work. TRUE KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM EXPERIENCE of which you have very little with CTE.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Neil]

You are wrong. To me that's a close-minded assumption, to say that I never will see anything special about cte. I already see something special about it, I just don't get it. The specialness is not aiming with spheres as you state in your video clips numerous times. It is in that final step just before sweeping or pivoting to CCB, where you say to come straight in after the perception "fixes" the CB. Straight in referencing what? You don't have to answer, I'll wait on the book. I mean, if there's something special here that I'm just missing out on, I'd rather pay for the secret knowledge because you've earned it.

And yes, years ago I spent about a week with dvd1. And I've watched every youtube clip you have, some multiple times. That constitutes many many hours. I'm not saying anything negative about CTE or your work with it. In fact, I have complimented you on your videos, never bad-mouthed your work it belittled it in any way. I have questioned certain aspects, but that's par for the course when you go public with anything.

What you are calling negative is simply me pointing out that some of the statements or words used when describing CTE are simply not accurate. Your idea of objectivity is based on your own skill level and playing experience. You assume your subjective knowledge is common knowledge among most players, so you call it objective, saying things 'like anyone can tell if a shot is a little thick or a little thin.' I agree, anyone with EXPERIENCE can tell.

As far my kick on the term "perception".....a perception is something mentally perceived, which can be different from person to person. A visual perspective is a particular point of view that can be seen by anyone with eyes. Visually, a perception is subjective while a perspective is objective. But I don't expect you to change any terminology this late into the game.

In reference to the fixed cb. With the cb fixed, it now has a known center to work with.

 

[BC21]

I'm more interested in you explaining how a person can use a center ball CB visual to move around the equator of the OB fractions to see shots and make them accurately as well as where do you go when the edge of the OB ends and there are a hell of a lot more cut angles to cover.

Lay it on me.

It's pretty straight-forward. Fractional aim points are measured and located on a straight line from the center of the OB. They are not measured/located on the actual equator or circumference of the ball. Here's a quick visual....

 

[BC21]

In reference to the fixed cb. With the cb fixed, it now has a known center to work with.

I realize this, as Stan has said in many vids. I am simply questioning the same thing Low500 questioned when he asked how to get to CCB. His obvious lack of knowledge was not challenged by any CTE user here. Yet I ask the same question and I'm a complete novice. I know the perceptions. I know from years of experience whether or not a perception is thick or thin so I know which way to pivot. The trick is where exactly to begin this 1/2 tip or micro pivot. Like I said, maybe the book will be more explanatory than DVDs and several years of YouTube videos.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

It's pretty straight-forward. Fractional aim points are measured and located on a straight line from the center of the OB. They are not measured/located on the actual equator or circumference of the ball. Here's a quick visual....

As far as I'm concerned, it's not pretty straight forward. Looks convoluted. Did I understand or misunderstand what you said about the fractions being located along the equator of the OB in another post?

Also where do you go with the center of the CB BEYOND the edge of the OB for greater cut angles? What and where are you lining the center of the CB to? Isn't the center of the CB at the equator both vertically and horizontally?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I realize this, as Stan has said in many vids. I am simply questioning the same thing Low500 questioned when he asked how to get to CCB. His obvious lack of knowledge was not challenged by any CTE user here. Yet I ask the same question and I'm a complete novice. I know the perceptions. I know from years of experience whether or not a perception is thick or thin so I know which way to pivot. The trick is where exactly to begin this 1/2 tip or micro pivot. Like I said, maybe the book will be more explanatory than DVDs and several years of YouTube videos.

Don't you have enough to worry about regarding Poolology to keep you busy? You don't even use your OWN SYSTEM of aiming when you play.

What is your reason to keep questioning or wanting to know CTE when you also aren't going to ever use it?

 

[BC21]

Bottom line: You are a complete novice when it comes to CTE. You have little to no table experience. If you had to do a 10 minute video of shooting 3 racks of 9 balls and calling ou the visuals and pivot directions, you'd be all over the place....LOST...but yet here you are piping out like you know everything about CTE except the final piece of how to get to CCB. Just let it go!! Spend your time answering Spider's question.
As for my work. TRUE KNOWLEDGE COMES FROM EXPERIENCE of which you have very little with CTE.

Stan Shuffett

My same problem is told here....posted a couple of weeks ago.

This issue has confused me about the CTE aiming method from the gate.
I've worked with it and have made great progress, but "not paying any attention to the object ball" has to be either poor transfer of knowledge OR an outright lie.
I watched a CTE aiming player on Youtube "Gerald something" and he sends those balls into the pockets like they were rockets...yet he says, after getting his perceptions, that he pays no attention to the object ball from that point on. ?????????
How can this be???
You've GOT to at least point the cue stick in the direction of the shot to make it work...otherwise, you might shoot totally missing the entire object ball.
Getting the perceptions was the easy part....no big deal to that, in my opinion.
But from THAT POINT ON...what is the MOST EFFICIENT WAY to go down on the shot to let the eyes lead and the body follow..?? I'm still missing some shots I shouldn't miss at times...I don't like that. It costs me money. (Where I play, if you miss during a highly favorable percentage run-out...you don't get back to the table again.)
What is the correct process for getting down into shooting position with that half-tip offset, ready for the manual pivot to Center cue ball...?
Some of you CTE'rs who are far better than me can help me here. (don't tell me about any 'PRO1'...this manual pivoting is all I need to bust most people)
Keep on truckin'
:thumbup:

He claims to be successfully using CTE, though he seems to know about as much or less than I do, which in your words amounts to a "complete novice".

 

[BC21]

Don't you have enough to worry about regarding Poolology to keep you busy? You don't even use your OWN SYSTEM of aiming when you play.

What is your reason to keep questioning or wanting to know CTE when you also aren't going to ever use it?

I don't keep questioning it. I got trolled into it by the likes of cookie.

 

[Neil]

I realize this, as Stan has said in many vids. I am simply questioning the same thing Low500 questioned when he asked how to get to CCB. His obvious lack of knowledge was not challenged by any CTE user here. Yet I ask the same question and I'm a complete novice. I know the perceptions. I know from years of experience whether or not a perception is thick or thin so I know which way to pivot. The trick is where exactly to begin this 1/2 tip or micro pivot. Like I said, maybe the book will be more explanatory than DVDs and several years of YouTube videos.

???? You say you realize this, then you ask the same question again.????

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I don't keep questioning it. I got trolled into it by the likes of cookie.

Bullshit. I don't care what Cookie did. You keep asking questions, the same questions which aren't even on the right track even when you're told. Or, you're giving answers to the workings of CTE as far as alignment without having the correct knowledge to back it up.

Do what Stan said. Set up a bunch of shots on video and verbally DESCRIBE what you're doing and how you're doing it with your visuals and alignment. Take the shot
and we'll see.

But bottom line, you don't use your own fractional aiming system when playing nor will you use CTE.

Why are you involved and keep coming into the threads and posts about it?

 

[stan shuffett]

I realize this, as Stan has said in many vids. I am simply questioning the same thing Low500 questioned when he asked how to get to CCB. His obvious lack of knowledge was not challenged by any CTE user here. Yet I ask the same question and I'm a complete novice. I know the perceptions. I know from years of experience whether or not a perception is thick or thin so I know which way to pivot. The trick is where exactly to begin this 1/2 tip or micro pivot. Like I said, maybe the book will be more explanatory than DVDs and several years of YouTube videos.

Players have been using CTE successfully for many many years. One of the issues has been how to define CCB. That issue is brought up most often, not because they want to use CTE but rather use it as a flaw that relegates CTE to the feel domain. Hal did not share the whole enchilada about CCB but rather had his students to just trust CCB. Many have done just that not giving a rats ass about the exact navigation to CCB.....I used CTE successfully for years not knowing every little detail.
At least, low500 can use CTE to this point very well, something that you can't even begin to do yet you discuss CTE all of the time. Thanks for the PR.......It would not matter though as CTE is ALWAYS from here on out going to get attention, just as it has for the past 10 years.....I don't have drive it. Why? Many hate it and want to see it fail because they can't stand it.....The whole game is to kill CTE. CTE is thriving and continuing to grow and grow. It's going to get worst! Buckle up!

Stan Shuffett

 

[Low500]

Don't you have enough to worry about regarding Poolology to keep you busy? You don't even use your OWN SYSTEM of aiming when you play.
What is your reason to keep questioning or wanting to know CTE when you also aren't going to ever use it?

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[SpiderWebComm]

Since he's decided to insert my name into a few of his posts (which I do not like)..let's go here. By the way BC21, leave my name OUT of your stuff.
In addition to why he doesn't even use his own aiming method there is another question I would add, not pool related, but reasonable (in my opinion)
The question I would have to ask that guy is....if he's a successful author, book publisher, pool player, intellectual, professional music teacher, and professional guitar player...........then why is he out interviewing for a job?

ROTFLMFAO! (why didn't I think of that?)

 

[Low500]

Players have been using CTE successfully for many many years. One of the issues has been how to define CCB. That issue is brought up most often, not because they want to use CTE but rather use it as a flaw that relegates CTE to the feel domain. Hal did not share the whole enchilada about CCB but rather had his students to just trust CCB. Many have done just that not giving a rats ass about the exact navigation to CCB.....I used CTE successfully for years not knowing every little detail.
At least, low500 can use CTE to this point very well, something that you can't even begin to do yet you discuss CTE all of the time. Thanks for the PR.......It would not matter though as CTE is ALWAYS from here on out going to get attention, just as it has for the past 10 years.....I don't have drive it. Why? Many hate it and want to see it fail because they can't stand it.....The whole game is to kill CTE. CTE is thriving and continuing to grow and grow. It's going to get worst! Buckle up!
Stan Shuffett

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[stan shuffett]

Thanks to you and Stevie Moore, I am doing very, very, well with CTE.
How to line up on the shot is very well explained by you in the videos.
That's not an issue any more.
I am totally amazed at how easy and reliable, over and over, this method of aiming really is. (my opponents HATE it....but I'll never tell them a thing. The smart way is to be like old Efren..."I just got lucky".)
Keep on truckin'
Pete
:thumbup:

About Efren...
Most think he is on the fly but he knows what he is looking at. EXACTLY.
He and others have been smug for decades. WHY? $$$$$!

Stan Shuffett