the insanity emanating from this forum lately is mind boggling

Slim Limpy said:
it is in your best interests to answer this man’s questions concerning your “lack of money” situation in an open and forthcoming manner. I never joined in with the other posters when speculating about your personal and private life -- I don’t care who you or any other poster really is -- I always try and respond only to the poster’s texts. We’re all unreliable narrators here. Nobody is who they present themselves as. However, you have referred numerous times to your “lack of money and/or disposable income.”

I can take you to a local bus stop in my neighborhood and show you honest, law abiding, hardworking people who haven’t had $250 in freely disposable income in years. You need to explain to all of us what you are referring to when you present yourself as having little or no extra money, etc. when you can bid or offer this much money on a cue when you claim to have little or no money.

If you choose not to explain in an honest and open fashion, I think you should be prepared for a whole new generation of AZB posters with little or no tolerance for your shenanigans.
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It’s no ones god damn business where he got the money from!
 
Slim Limpy said:
Originally Posted by mchnhed :

I’ve enjoyed your oddities up until now but you are now on my list.

Plus......where did you get the $287 to buy the cue?
Plus....the cost of the refinish and rewrap.
That’s $425 total
Your always moaning about not having money to buy a decent cue.
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Justinb386,

it is in your best interests to answer this man’s questions concerning your “lack of money” situation in an open and forthcoming manner. I never joined in with the other posters when speculating about your personal and private life -- I don’t care who you or any other poster really is -- I always try and respond only to the poster’s texts. We’re all unreliable narrators here. Nobody is who they present themselves as. However, you have referred numerous times to your “lack of money and/or disposable income.”

I can take you to a local bus stop in my neighborhood and show you honest, law abiding, hardworking people who haven’t had $250 in freely disposable income in years. You need to explain to all of us what you are referring to when you present yourself as having little or no extra money, etc. when you can bid or offer this much money on a cue when you claim to have little or no money.

If you choose not to explain in an honest and open fashion, I think you should be prepared for a whole new generation of AZB posters with little or no tolerance for your shenanigans.
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He shouldn't have to explain where he gets his spending money to anyone unless it is from ripping people off on this website...

Whether he is full of shit or not... it's his money.
 
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HUKIT said:
It’s no ones god damn business where he got the money from!
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Unless that person is always whining about having no money and would you please feel sorry for him and give him a big discount and then flips the cue and then whines that he loved the cue but had to go get a Kid’s Meal Deal from McDonalds and then posts that he wishes he had a cue to shoot pool with and would anybody please help him out by selling your Joss West cue for $125 because that’s all the money he has and then gets the cue from you and goes online says he doesn’t like the taper and the butt feels heavy so he sold it for big profit and now he doesn’t have a have a cue and would some kind soul give him one because he can’t seem to hold on to anything of value, so he stomps on another person’s deal and try’s to sucker punch him to buy another cue and...................................
 
Aint saying anybody should be banned...(HINT, Thats a forum business decision, not lynch mob suggested)

But learning how to use the MULTI QUOTE should be required.

8 posts in a row, to answer questions is a bit tedious.....
 
mchnhed said:
Justin....

Just to let you know....
I was first in line to buy that Huebler.

The seller and I had been messaging each other.
He texted me he was sending an invoice to my e-mail.
I went to take a dump and I come back to finalize the deal and he’s spooked by some guy named Justin and his wierd questions and demands.

The seller than panics and does the deal with the next guy because I didn’t respond instantly.

I’ve enjoyed your oddities up until now but you are now on my list.

Plus......where did you get the $287 to buy the cue?
Plus....the cost of the refinish and rewrap.
That’s around $425 total.
Your always moaning about not having money to buy a decent cue.
Grow up, you child.

I’m not happy with the seller either for him being so impatient.
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I don't get it. Why would he be conversing with me (and asking for my payment as a Gift, but unwilling to send me an invoice), if he was already make a deal with you (if you were 1st in line)? I will admit that I really screwed up, in thinking that it was a scam. I did a search for the sellers name tonight, and seen all of the comments that other buyers have made about him in the past. Even knowing what I know now though, I still do not think I would have sent my payment as a Gift. It is just too risky, no matter how trustworthy you think a seller is. I really did screw up by flagging the listing though. I just thought the deal was too good to be true. $275 for such an amazing looking Huebler, with when appeared to be an Ivory butt cap? By the way, I had no money for a refinish. I would have just played with the cue as is. The only part that looked really bad to me was the butt, below the wrap.

I sent the seller a message tonight, and wrote an apology to him. He was really cool about it, and said that he understood why I did what I did (I guess).
 
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Slim Limpy said:
I am questioning why Justinb386 has continually claimed to have little or no money and can only afford a cue of $200 at the most when facts have come to light which show otherwise.
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In all fairness there isn't a lot of difference between $200 or $250 and $300 and I don't see that having an extra fifty or a hundred bucks this month means there has been some drastic change in your financial standing. For all we know the refinish he had planned for the cue was going to have to wait for a month or two so the only cost at this time was going to be $300. Maybe his income, whatever it is, has gone up slightly to account for the extra $50-100 bucks he seems to have for this cue but he is still poor. Maybe he was able to flip a laptop for a $100 profit this month and so has an extra hundred he wouldn't normally have. Maybe he managed to spend a little less than normal the last couple of months for whatever reason and was able to save an extra hundred up more than he would normally have. Maybe he hit for a hundred bucks on a scratch off lottery ticket. Maybe he just had a birthday and a relative gave him a hundred bucks as a present.

I don't know what the situation is but thinking somebody is no longer poor because they are looking to buy a cue that is $50-100 more than the ones they normally buy seems like an awfully big leap in logic to me, particularly when said cue is still on the low end about as cheap as they get. It isn't like he is looking at a $1000+ cue here. For the record I don't agree with trying to milk sympathy and special pricing favors due to your financial standing or for any other reason for that matter, but on the flip side being able to spend an extra 50-100 bones this time around hardly proves that he is rolling in the cash now.
 
BmoreMoney said:
No O'Dea where I would have been in line but I saw post within 15-20 of posting. While I was thinking about pulling the trigger, I saw the guy post up with what happened with Justin . Guess it shouldn't matter but the drama kinda turned me off.
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I really wanted that cue (was in love with the looks of it, and did not care about the condition it was in), but got freaked, when the seller insisted on payment to be sent as a Gift, and was unwilling to give me any other payment option. And then I started thinking that the deal seemed to be too good to be real. I really screwed up. If I would have just searched the sellers name (on OBM), then I would have seen all of the good feedbacks that he has received from other buyers. I see that I make a big mistake now, but I still do not understand why the seller did not give me the option to pay as Goods, if I was willing to pay the extra 3.5% paypal fee. He just kept repeating himself about how good his rep was on OBM. It just felt like a scam to me. Any legit seller should be willing to send a paypal invoice. I know now that he is a legit seller, but asking for payments from buyers to pay as Gift (without offering any other option to pay) is not the right way to do business.
 
Slim Limpy said:
Originally Posted by mchnhed :

I’ve enjoyed your oddities up until now but you are now on my list.

Plus......where did you get the $287 to buy the cue?
Plus....the cost of the refinish and rewrap.
That’s $425 total
Your always moaning about not having money to buy a decent cue.
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Justinb386,

it is in your best interests to answer this man’s questions concerning your “lack of money” situation in an open and forthcoming manner. I never joined in with the other posters when speculating about your personal and private life -- I don’t care who you or any other poster really is -- I always try and respond only to the poster’s texts. We’re all unreliable narrators here. Nobody is who they present themselves as. However, you have referred numerous times to your “lack of money and/or disposable income.”

I can take you to a local bus stop in my neighborhood and show you honest, law abiding, hardworking people who haven’t had $250 in freely disposable income in years. You need to explain to all of us what you are referring to when you present yourself as having little or no extra money, etc. when you can bid or offer this much money on a cue when you claim to have little or no money.

If you choose not to explain in an honest and open fashion, I think you should be prepared for a whole new generation of AZB posters with little or no tolerance for your shenanigans.
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I really do not understand you. $275 is not that much money. Most people on here pay that much for a single shaft alone. I am very poor. That is true. Sometimes I have a little bit of money from a laptop sale, and want to spend it on a cue. Yes, I had the $275 that the seller was wanting for the Huebler, but no, I would not have been able to pay to get it refinished. I would have played with it "as is". Other then the butt below the wrap, it looks to be in fine condition as a player. I do not need a cue to be in mint condition. I could care less about nicks, dings, and bruises, just so the shaft is nice and smooth, and the cue rolls fairly straight, then I am good to go, on the pool table.
 
lorider said:
Truth be told....i think the seller was offered more money while you were taking a dump ..
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Yeah, that must have been the reason he put me next in line (because I was willing to pay his full asking price for the cue). I can't think of any other reason why the seller would pass the 1st person in line to buy the cue. That cue would be mine too, if the seller would have offered to allow me to make my payment as paying for Goods. I really wanted that cue, but could not risk almost every last dollar I had to my name to send him the payment as a Gift. Anyone who would have been in my situation should understand that. $275 is a lot of money to me. I was willing to pay it though, because I really loved and wanted that cue.
 
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Slim Limpy said:
Justinb386,

it is in your best interests to answer this man’s questions concerning your “lack of money” situation in an open and forthcoming manner. I never joined in with the other posters when speculating about your personal and private life -- I don’t care who you or any other poster really is -- I always try and respond only to the poster’s texts. We’re all unreliable narrators here. Nobody is who they present themselves as. However, you have referred numerous times to your “lack of money and/or disposable income.”

I can take you to a local bus stop in my neighborhood and show you honest, law abiding, hardworking people who haven’t had $250 in freely disposable income in years. You need to explain to all of us what you are referring to when you present yourself as having little or no extra money, etc. when you can bid or offer this much money on a cue when you claim to have little or no money.

If you choose not to explain in an honest and open fashion, I think you should be prepared for a whole new generation of AZB posters with little or no tolerance for your shenanigans.



Please reread my posting above carefully. Nowhere am I questioning where Justinb386 gets his money from. I am questioning why Justinb386 has continually claimed to have little or no money and can only afford a cue of $200 at the most when facts have come to light which show otherwise. Hopefully, you are familiar with Justinb386’s posting history.

I am assuming both my and mchnhed’s base question is the same here: Why does Justinb386 continue to claim and use lack of money to elicit sympathy from AZB readers, when it appears he actually does have funds to support his cue purchases? Real facts from the real world have collided with Justinb386’s persona and appear to contradict his persona’s continual assertions of always having little or no money.

Where the money came from is not at issue for me. Continuing to claim something that has been shown to be otherwise is the issue here.

Justinb386 has a decision to make. Either alter his persona’s attribute of always being too broke to buy a decent cue or have this detail thrown at him ad infinitum for the next 20 threads and run the risk of many more AZBer’s reacting in the same way as mchnhed has.

This is far from the first time posters have confronted Justinb386 regarding the contradictions inherent in his persona’s personality.

I’ve been dying to do a simple analysis of Justinb386’s texts (threads and postings) for about 3 months now, so let me explain. Maybe 7 years of occasionally, but not always, following Justinb386’s texts at work and (almost) always being entertained by them has given me ample time to analyze the persona he has constructed for his AZB audience and what motivates him to present his persona in the way he does.

So I says to myself, I says, “Screw it, I’m gonna do it, even if I’m the only one who finds it interesting.”

This analysis is based only on Justinb386’s text, not any speculation about what Justin really is like. He could be a banker in his day job for all I know. I could care less because as I stated before: we’re all unreliable narrators here. So I’m doing nothing more than any of you do each time you respond to someone else’s posting: you analyze the text and respond to it in one fashion or another. The person who wrote the text is somewhere, but he’s not the text or even in the text. It’s impossible to discover who someone really is by just reading what they wrote.

Speculating on what the writer of a text is really like is an exercise in futility; however, speculating on the character representing the writer in the text is open game for me. You wrote it, I own it, once you release it. Same with what I write. That’s why there’s a button on the bottom each posting that says, “Post Reply”.

Let me start by saying I fall in the camp that believes Justinb386 (the writer of the texts) is no dummy. I have joked about Justinb386 being a genius at his manipulative techniques in the past. In my opinion, he has quite a sharp mind. He has an exceptional ability to control the effects his writing has on his readers. Whether this is consciously controlled by him or not, I don’t know. But he is aware of his own manipulative abilities as a writer. That’s a good thing. All communication is manipulation. Some communicators have a greater and more conscious control of it than others. His persona’s primary purpose is hold and maintain our interest and feed our attention to his ego. And there’s nothing wrong with that—it’s a good gig if you can get it.

Justinb386’s persona is intriguing to most of us because he purposefully cloaks himself in mystery and intrigue, and subtle contradictions. His persona’s characteristics just don’t make sense sometimes. And if his persona suddenly did make sense, we would probably lose interest in him real quick. We just can’t figure him out, just like an intriguing character in a book. His persona’s character flaws actually make his persona more real and human to us—like we’re really getting to know him somehow—he’s not hiding anything, even though he’s hiding everything. And if we guess and question his persona’s flaws long enough, we begin to believe that we may find out who he really is and the secrets behind him.

So inconsistencies in his persona’s character like the fact that he is constantly looking for a cue he can’t afford, despite our best efforts to avoid it, actually draw us into a sympathetic relationship with his persona. The Holy Grail.

His insistence that he has never bought a single cue with the intention of flipping it when all indications point to the opposite is a tough one for me. I am not sure if that is an endearing characteristic other than it helps support his claim of never having enough cash to buy the cue he really wants. This one I think he continues to insist upon because it too contributes to the mystery of his persona’s character.

You will notice that Justinb386 never ever explains or answers to us why these situations exist. When these predicaments are questioned by fellow posters, Justinb386 always has some answer, but never answers the question. Then he sidetracks the question by answering a non-existent question and re-routing the answer to respond to an issue more favorable to developing his persona. This is also why Justinb386 neither acknowledges nor refutes another poster when he is being confronted by a hostile poster who is demanding to know what he is really like—he has the ability to separate himself from his persona and let the persona do the manipulating. Even to deny the hostile poster’s accusations limits the possibilities which help to contribute to his persona’s mysteries. Pure Genius! That is why Justinb386 is a Teflon Don—all the negativity just bounces off him because he knows he’s not his persona. He just reaps the attention that his persona creates for him and tosses away the negativity.

I personally find the continuing sage of Justinb386 very entertaining.

I see you do to, eh?

Soooo . . . what draws a swell fellow like you into these threads?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist!)
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Poolplaya9 said:
In all fairness there isn't a lot of difference between $200 or $250 and $300 and I don't see that having an extra fifty or a hundred bucks this month means there has been some drastic change in your financial standing. For all we know the refinish he had planned for the cue was going to have to wait for a month or two so the only cost at this time was going to be $300. Maybe his income, whatever it is, has gone up slightly to account for the extra $50-100 bucks he seems to have for this cue but he is still poor. Maybe he was able to flip a laptop for a $100 profit this month and so has an extra hundred he wouldn't normally have. Maybe he managed to spend a little less than normal the last couple of months for whatever reason and was able to save an extra hundred up more than he would normally have. Maybe he hit for a hundred bucks on a scratch off lottery ticket. Maybe he just had a birthday and a relative gave him a hundred bucks as a present.

I don't know what the situation is but thinking somebody is no longer poor because they are looking to buy a cue that is $50-100 more than the ones they normally buy seems like an awfully big leap in logic to me, particularly when said cue is still on the low end about as cheap as they get. It isn't like he is looking at a $1000+ cue here. For the record I don't agree with trying to milk sympathy and special pricing favors due to your financial standing or for any other reason for that matter, but on the flip side being able to spend an extra 50-100 bones this time around hardly proves that he is rolling in the cash now.
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You make some very good points. Thanks for that reply.

By the way, I never meant to ask for any charity from anyone. I have always displayed the amount of money that I had available to spend on a cue, and hoped for the best. That is all. I never asked, or expected any sympathy or charity from anyone. For example, the time that I presented $50 for a cue to purchase, I would have been very happy for an offer of maybe an old beat up, warped Meucci sneaky pete (something that would have been a really good player, yet only really worth the $50 that I paid). By the way, I did once sell a Meucci sneaky for $50, and have sold very nice customs for a $100.
 
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