Quit being such a beast of burden
How much more accurate are the REVO shafts?
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Quit being such a beast of burden
"Paint it black"
Hey, you, get off of my cloud.
Exactly what he said.....:thumbup:
Earl, Efren & Buddy...just to name a few who also happen to arguably be the absolute greatest players of all time, never liked or played with a LD shaft.
If a LD shaft imparted the most spin, why don't LD shafts dominate as masse cues?
The only way to settle any of this, is by building stroke machine test objectively without any bias.
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Anyway, as to the main thread here -- sounds like a problem with semantics. Accuracy vs. consistency.
It does stand to reason that shaft made entirely of synthetics has the following advantages -
True radial consistency.
Consistency in the mass of the material. Wood can be denser, and thus heavier in one area of the same piece of wood compared to another part of that same piece.
Consistency in the material properties of how much it flexes or bends, vibrates, compresses etcetera....Wood can be more flexible in one area than another.
More environmentally consistent - will play more consistently whether warm or cold, than an inferior material which is more sensitive to temperature of humidity.
Consistency from shaft to shaft. With wood, including Predator wooden shafts - no two shafts feel or hit exactly the same. Play with any two or three shafts on the same cue for long enough, you'll feel differences.
With a synthetic shaft, the differences can become so minute, that they are imperceptible by players. Being able to swap shafts and feel no difference is of value to some players.
Assuming quality control is good, all the shafts should weigh the same. That is extremely difficult with wood. This is the domain of high-end expert cue makers who painstakingly match shafts to be exactly the same weight and balance. But this is no guarantee the shafts will feel or play the same due to other factors.
Feel is subjective. Feel / feedback has zero to do with performance. However, having a shaft that cannot warp, and is very ding resistant and smooth to play with is probably worth it alone, not even considering any LD qualities it may have.
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Anybody can throw numbers and percentages out there. The numbers presented here are non verifiable and if you believe them then I have some ocean front property in North Dakota for sale cheap. Remember, it's not the gun, it's the shooter!!
Why do you trolls think your telling the pool world some new ground breaking information when you say it’s not the gun it’s the shooter? Why are people like you and the pool world in general so against any new technology that can make the game easier? Golfers know you still need a swing to play golf but they don’t doubt that using cavity back clubs our a hell of a lot easier to hit then forged irons. they certainly don’t want to go back to wooden clubs because metal is better lol Yes you still need a stroke..no one but the trolls like you are saying your going to pick up a revo shaft and immediately be running racks. but with technology an hold on to this ... INNOVATION (I know thats a scary word to people like you) you can make a shaft that nullifies your not so perfect stroke.
Really getting tired of the "its the Indian, not the arrow" thing. No good Indian will use an arrow shaped like a banana. Or on made from willow, or pond reeds. That Indian used the best material and technology available to him.
I kind of think that is a bunch of hooey, shaft technology in my view is not remotely in the same world as golf technology. Low deflection may simplify aiming for some (though I think that is somewhat questionable) but it does absolutely nothing to nullify a not so perfect stroke. Absolutely nothing. My personal view is that aiming is so complex that regardless of whether you are using a LD shaft or not you still have to account for so many different variables that the LD shaft accomplishes nothing. You still have to account for speed, cue elevation and especially the amount of swerve relative to the amount of squirt. Which completely negates any benefit the LD shaft had in the first place. Pool must be played by feel, and by intuition created by hitting the same shot 100s of times. If squirt was the only element you had to account for there would be something to the technology, but it doesnt and swerve is just as important. See this Dr Dave article.
/http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2008/march08.pdf
But none of that matters. If your confidence is better with LD then you will play better. But as a "technology" it is snake oil compared to golf technology,
I’m going to bet you haven’t shot with a revo lol but you still have an opinion. I personally don’t give opinions on anything i don’t have personal experience with but that’s just me . There are still 100 things that come into play from a golf swing that no matter what clubs you have you will hit a bad shot. It takes a lot of feel to play golf also. It’s a mixture of mechanics and feel just like Pool. It’s absolutly the same by if you want to keep your head in the sand that’s your choice. Technology has made everything better in life except Pool apparently lol
And Lou Gehrig never played with a Wilson A2000, the best glove in the game. Been around for at least 40 years.
It means, some folks can make with the technology they had at the time.
This goes for sprinters shoes, golf clubs, ski's, etc. If the greats from the 20's were brought back to life would they gravitate to newer and/or better equipment?
I'm not even saying REVO is bad or good, but certainly the argument about what Buddy played with in his day is not really relevant now.
All I know is that there a quite a few guys, low handicaps, in my in house league that use one and they have become very accurate shooters. Don't get me wrong, they still mess up position and don't run out but they have become more dangerous to play fast and loose against. Revo's aren't the end all - be all but...I have seen enough evidence to say that the technology works.
Actually I rented one from a dealer and put about 100 racks of 9 ball 10 ball and straight on it. I thought it was definitely a stroke enhancer in terms if drawing the ball, however I didn't really notice the LD thing at all. I missed a couple shots early and after that I didn't notice any difference in aiming or the effect of squirt at all. I am at best a low A player so I miss a good amount but I don't remember missing because of not accounting for squirt, I missed because my belly got in the way, I sagged in my stance or jumped up. It felt whippy but not out of control, which I guess might be a function of the LD, but it also felt very odd with little feedback. I didn't like it. I could see that someone that wants a stroke enhancing shaft that plays solid, would like it, but I saw literally no change in accuracy to make me want one and did not like the feel. I used the 12.9 one on a Predator butt. Maybe I would like it better on my regular player but not an option. So my opinion was not uninformed
I have tried many LD shafts and never saw any improvement from any of them. I guess I just don't get it. FWIW, I am not a great player, and I am not Mike Massey but I have no issue getting good action and drawbacks from very stiff cues like my Lambros and Olney, and Treadwats I have had.
I've seen improvements by league players using REVO shafts as well.
I've also noticed an uptick by professional players moving toward REVO or talking about moving to REVO.
If Predator Cues moves to a 30" shaft, I believe there will be even more people going to REVO. (BTW, not everyone wants a 12.0MM, 30" shaft)
JoeyA
I've also noticed an uptick by professional players moving toward REVO or talking about moving to REVO.
If Predator Cues moves to a 30" shaft, I believe there will be even more people going to REVO. (BTW, not everyone wants a 12.0MM, 30" shaft)
JoeyA
So, is this an endorsement of the (LD) REVO shaft? ;-) Ok, j/k but which shaft do you play with most often?
JoeyA
JoeyA
I've heard 3 rumors about upcoming releases for Revo. Don't know the validity of any of the 3.
1. 11.8mm(heard from 3 different sources, so hoping this is true)
2. 30" Revo
3. Different color to mimmick wood(I'm so used to the black now I have no desire to go back to wood color)
1. 11.8mm(heard from 3 different sources, so hoping this is true)
2. 30" Revo
3. Different color to mimmick wood(I'm so used to the black now I have no desire to go back to wood color)
where'd you hear about 30"? I'd buy one right now if so. Hopefully it would be 12.4 mm
Most often? My regular is a stock Tascarella shaft. Prior to that was the Schuler Regular Pro Taper.
My Revo shaft should be in my hands tomorrow , fit to my Gilbert (3/&-10). I’ve hit with the Revo many times over the last couple of years.
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