APA and Mosconi Cup

Joe Pickens

Joe Pickens

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I notice a lot of players do not like the APA because slop counts. I don't play APA so I am not taking up for those that do, but I was wondering why it is okay to slop a ball in playing for the Mosconi Cup and it is considered okay or even a great shot?

For instance I saw a clip of Jayson Shaw clearly trying to go three rails to kick a ball in the side pocket when he clipped the side of the ball and made it in the corner. The commentators were saying it was a great shot when all he did was slop it in the wrong pocket. Why is this okay and APA slop not?
 
Joe Pickens said:
I notice a lot of players do not like the APA because slop counts. I don't play APA so I am not taking up for those that do, but I was wondering why it is okay to slop a ball in playing for the Mosconi Cup and it is considered okay or even a great shot?

For instance I saw a clip of Jayson Shaw clearly trying to go three rails to kick a ball in the side pocket when he clipped the side of the ball and made it in the corner. The commentators were saying it was a great shot when all he did was slop it in the wrong pocket. Why is this okay and APA slop not?
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9-ball allows slop. APA 8-ball allows slop. Big difference.
 
Joe Pickens said:
I notice a lot of players do not like the APA because slop counts. I don't play APA so I am not taking up for those that do, but I was wondering why it is okay to slop a ball in playing for the Mosconi Cup and it is considered okay or even a great shot?

For instance I saw a clip of Jayson Shaw clearly trying to go three rails to kick a ball in the side pocket when he clipped the side of the ball and made it in the corner. The commentators were saying it was a great shot when all he did was slop it in the wrong pocket. Why is this okay and APA slop not?
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Good point.

I ask a similar question about playing 10 ball ghost. Not about slop but about magic rack, ball in hand after break etc....

I guess us wannabes are held to a higher standard than a world class player is.....

I posted some of my best 10 ball ghost races. Some on vids, some not. I used template and took ball in hand...... that's it. I had one race that was 25 to 8. I had several 7 to1, 9 to 2, 11 to 3.....etc

Some got pissy because I used template and took ball in hand. A few even accused me of pattern racking just because i said in another post that i do pattern when practicing
"Sometimes".


I still don't understand how Dennis orcullo or Alex or any of the top pros go to table, PATTERN RACK, use a TEMPLATE, take BALL IN HAND and not one soul says boo when they are the very best of the best.

They do not have to have ball in hand......ever, but they almost always take it.

Go figure.

And before someone on here start yapping, I've seen so and so do this, I've seen that....well, I've seen it to and others have as well.

Rake
 
jrctherake said:
Good point.

I ask a similar question about playing 10 ball ghost. Not about slop but about magic rack, ball in hand after break etc....

I guess us wannabes are held to a higher standard than a world class player is.....

I posted some of my best 10 ball ghost races. Some on vids, some not. I used template and took ball in hand...... that's it. I had one race that was 25 to 8. I had several 7 to1, 9 to 2, 11 to 3.....etc

Some got pissy because I used template and took ball in hand. A few even accused me of pattern racking just because i said in another post that i do pattern when practicing
"Sometimes".


I still don't understand how Dennis orcullo or Alex or any of the top pros go to table, PATTERN RACK, use a TEMPLATE, take BALL IN HAND and not one soul says boo when they are the very best of the best.

They do not have to have ball in hand......ever, but they almost always take it.

Go figure.

And before someone on here start yapping, I've seen so and so do this, I've seen that....well, I've seen it to and others have as well.

Rake
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If you keep bringing it up, people will start thinking it’s a sensitive subject for you.
 
Joe Pickens said:
I don't see any difference at all. They both allow slop.
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I believe people’s complaints about APA slop are in regards to 8-ball. Pro 9-ball has always been slop. I can’t think of another pool league that allows slop while playing 8-ball. If you still don’t see the difference, I cannot help you.
 
easy-e said:
If you keep bringing it up, people will start thinking it’s a sensitive subject for you.
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Sensitive? No sir, not in the least.

Curious? Yes, that I am because it makes little to no sense.

I'm not talking just about my play, I'm talking your play, and many other wannabes that will never be great but love to play and take it very serious and don't just talk about it but actually do it and then turn around and take crap from players that can't play dead.
 
jrctherake said:
Sensitive? No sir, not in the least.

Curious? Yes, that I am because it makes little to no sense.

I'm not talking just about my play, I'm talking your play, and many other wannabes that will never be great but love to play and take it very serious and don't just talk about it but actually do it and then turn around and take crap from players that can't play dead.
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I get your frustration, I really do. All I’m suggesting, is that whether it’s right or wrong, it seems like you’re letting this one thing define you. Do what you do and eff anyone who gives you crap for it.
 
I can see where frustration can come from, if it is a player that is giving up weight to a handicapped player then gets shot out because of the slop play. It has happened to me as I am sure it has happened to others that play the game, it is one of the faults that I find in the APA system, as there are a lot of bangers that come out for the weekly beer, pool fest and sometimes taking the money, it is frustrating as all get out.
 
easy-e said:
I get your frustration, I really do. All I’m suggesting, is that whether it’s right or wrong, it seems like you’re letting this one thing define you. Do what you do and eff anyone who gives you crap for it.
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Yep, point taken.
 
easy-e said:
I believe people’s complaints about APA slop are in regards to 8-ball. Pro 9-ball has always been slop. I can’t think of another pool league that allows slop while playing 8-ball. If you still don’t see the difference, I cannot help you.
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Well that is real nice when I am trying to have a conversation. If you can't see that slop is slop then I can't help you.
 
Ron Padilla said:
I can see where frustration can come from, if it is a player that is giving up weight to a handicapped player then gets shot out because of the slop play. It has happened to me as I am sure it has happened to others that play the game, it is one of the faults that I find in the APA system, as there are a lot of bangers that come out for the weekly beer, pool fest and sometimes taking the money, it is frustrating as all get out.
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I used to think like you . Yea its frustrating ti lose to slop but i decided to take a different view after a couple of years beating myself over the head about this issue.

I liken it to giving my opponent a spot....or however many he slops in. If they have to resort to slop to beat me so be it.

I do understand the op's point and agree with it entirely when it comes to pros. They should never accept a slop shot regardless of the rule. That's what should separate the pros from us amateurs .

I dont buy the argument apa sucks because slop is allowed in 8 ball but its ok for slop in 9 ball because that's the way its always been played.....especially at the pro level.

Whether people on here know it or not slop in 8 ball used to be the norm at the pro level and was accepted world wide. The rule was changed to no slop in 8 ball and I dint see why it cant be changed for 9 as well.

Again ...i dont buy slop in 9 ball is ok because that's the way its always been when you countless other rules changed over the years.
 
Joe Pickens said:
Well that is real nice when I am trying to have a conversation. If you can't see that slop is slop then I can't help you.
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Dont get these guys started on call pocket vs call shot. They will just not admit that slop is allowed in call pocket.
 
Look Folks, I played 8 seasons in APA. Played over a thousand individual games. At best, either my opponent or myself "slopped" a ball in less than ten times in all those games. It's just an excuse for hating the APA. They have more than enough other reasons but not this one.

Incidentally, for those who are interested, I averaged less than one inning per game for all those games according to my league operator. Think I have a pretty good view of the game of pool, APA style. Quit your complaining and get out and play!!!!

Lyn
 
Joe Pickens said:
Well that is real nice when I am trying to have a conversation. If you can't see that slop is slop then I can't help you.
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You asked the difference man, I summed it up really simply. APA leagues allow slop, others don’t. Neither one of those points has a darn thing to do with professional 9-ball. You’re trying to compare apples to oranges. Different games, think about it.
 
lorider said:
Dont get these guys started on call pocket vs call shot. They will just not admit that slop is allowed in call pocket.
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If you’re referring to me, you’d be wrong. Slop can definitely happen in call pocket, but it’s kind of a necessary evil. Sure, once in a very long while, a player will miss their ball hard enough to go a couple rails and find the hole they called anyways. That’s slop, keep shooting. Anything is better, in my opinion, than having to call every rail you’re going to hit and every ball you may rub on the way to the hole.
 
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easy-e said:
If you’re referring to me, you’d be wrong. Slop can definitely happen in call pocket, but it’s kind of a necessary evil. Sure, once in a very long while, a player will miss their ball hard enough to go a couple rails and find the hole they called anyways. That’s slop, keep shooting. Anything is better, in my opinion, than having to call every rail you’re going to hit and every ball you may rub on the way to the hole.
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easy,

As an aside, once lost a straight pool game when my opponent missed the break shot so bad, the object ball went four rails into the original targeted pocket. Happened nearly twenty years ago but I remember it as yesterday. As he does!

Lyn
 
easy-e said:
If you’re referring to me, you’d be wrong. Slop can definitely happen in call pocket, but it’s kind of a necessary evil. Sure, once in a very long while, a player will miss their ball hard enough to go a couple rails and find the hole they called anyways. That’s slop, keep shooting. Anything is better, in my opinion, than having to call every rail you’re going to hit and every ball you may rub on the way to the hole.
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I agree with you about takin it to the extreme in calling every nuance but i have seldom run into those jackhats when playing bar rules. And just like maniac said....i very seldom run into slop in apa 8 ball .

People tend ti be careful about their shots in fear if making an early 8 ...or scratching on the 8 which in other leagues is not a loss. Now you do see quite a bit of slop in apa 9 ball in hopes of making anything....anywhere which is acceptable under 9 ball rules in any league...except call 9 and what's so hard about that with an emtyqtable and 6 available pockets ?
 
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