Dechaine just chopped up Busty, but he's not even considered for MC.
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This seems to be accurate as well
Representing the US seems to bring some excessive pressure. We have a wealth of talent but can't overcome. We are not gambling in the backroom fellas, USA just can't seem to differentiate the atmosphere
Maybe the attitude changes this year
You've got all the rack BS he pulls, then the attitude, and propensity for altercations.
The only way we're ever going to win the Mosconi Cup is with a time machine that brings back Buddy Hall, Mike Siegel, Earl Strickland, Nick Varner and the late Luther Lassiter in their primes. Outside of SVB, who obviously has issues with the MC format, there's not a single current American player who'd be in the top 10 or 15 in either Europe or Asia. Too much time spent on bar boxes and not enough time spent playing against the top international competition on real tables isn't exactly a formula for success.
Those guys would get their asses handed to them by Feijen, Ouschan, and the rest. If we’re playing with time machines we need go back to THEIR time, when Europe had no pool culture.
Are you crazy? Did you ever see any of these in their prime? I saw all but Lassiter(i'm not that old yet) and that team would have competed with and or beat any thing the Euros have. Hell, Buddy ,Earl, and Sigel at their height may have played em' 3-on-5. I know that's kinda out there but point is those guys played insanely good. I know the current Euros are awesome but gimme a break here.
One day, you guys will realize, it's not the players, it's the mind. We have had plenty of talent, every single yr, in regards to winning. Yet we don't win, and it has never been from a lack of skill.
When the 2 best are described, as shitting all over themselves, it's not lack of talent, it's a lack of mental ability. This latest crop of players, fall right into the millenial mold. Pussies in the head. Even the great SVB, and I'm one of his biggest fans.
When the 2 best are described, as shitting all over themselves, it's not lack of talent, it's a lack of mental ability. This latest crop of players, fall right into the millenial mold. Pussies in the head. Even the great SVB, and I'm one of his biggest fans.
No I’m not crazy. Well OK but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong here.
You must not have seen Hall or those others I mentioned in their primes. Buddy Hall in his prime destroyed everyone in gambling matches, including Cesar Morales / Efren Reyes in the aftermath of that Houston tournament after Reyes had beaten everyone else.
I've got huge respect for the European players, and they're far better than what we can put up today, but if they ever had to go against those five I mentioned in their primes, they'd be in for the fight of their lives, and may not be liking it.
Its exactly what it means. You are wrong. NO team with those champions/HOF'rs would have had their "asses handed to them" as you put it. Would the current Euros give them a battle? Hell yes and possibly win but to say the Euros would run away with it is ludicrous.
The best players of today are significantly better in just about every way than the best players of the 1980s. To believe otherwise is to fall for a “good old days” bias. Today the knowledge, decision-making, shot making, safety play, fundamentals - they’re all far superior. Why? Because 1. Improvement occurs in all sports over time, including pool, and for many of the same reasons, and 2. People who grew up training at pool as a sport, with trainers, coaches, clubs, and organizations, will out-perform people who slept in their cars hustling for cash.
Must be some really KoolAid where you live. Keep believing your fairy tale. BTW, i have no clue as to your age but in the 40yrs i've been around the game the only significant change is the cloth. Had worsted cloth showed up back then the top players would have adjusted. Quick. A team made-up of top players from 70's-80's would compete with any team put together anywhere. If you don't think playing to eat or pay bills doesn't make you one BRUTAL competitor i take it you've never done it. I'll take the road-hardened cash player over the funsy trophy chaser ANYTIME.
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I don’t know if there’s a way to prove it one way or another. Maybe there are some accu-stats from back then.
But there are two facts that are very clear: 1. People have improved in many ways over time, and nowhere is that more clear than in sports, and 2. People never believe that fact.
I may be wrong but I think the biggest difference in rotation 9b , 10b today is players today break far better than past players. If we neutralise the break, that would level the playing field.
Of cos, I am assuming here that we suddenly transport in a Delorean those 70s players unchanged with their bell bottoms,disco shoes, long sideburns to today so they have no time learn about pattern racking, breaking
Of cos, I am assuming here that we suddenly transport in a Delorean those 70s players unchanged with their bell bottoms,disco shoes, long sideburns to today so they have no time learn about pattern racking, breaking
It's ignorant statements like this that cause the rest of the world to laugh at us, and I'm not just talking about pool.
By the way, in case you haven't noticed, we've been following your strategy for over 10 years now.
How's that working out?
lol I was thinking the same thing but I’m glad you said it.
BTW, Mike beat Busty again today in 8-ball.
Both methods can and do work. Just look at the Filipinos. Do you think they are all attending pool academies?
Our problem is really just a lack of youthful interest. I guess when you don't have enough kids playing, you have to go the rigid fundamentals and tourney route. Whereas if you're in a high participation area, the constant action can bring the creme to the top.
It's really no different than the contrasting approaches that the South Americans and the Europeans have in soccer.
Our problem is really just a lack of youthful interest. I guess when you don't have enough kids playing, you have to go the rigid fundamentals and tourney route. Whereas if you're in a high participation area, the constant action can bring the creme to the top.
It's really no different than the contrasting approaches that the South Americans and the Europeans have in soccer.
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I may be wrong but I think the biggest difference in rotation 9b , 10b today is players today break far better than past players. If we neutralise the break, that would level the playing field.
Of cos, I am assuming here that we suddenly transport in a Delorean those 70s players unchanged with their bell bottoms,disco shoes, long sideburns to today so they have no time learn about pattern racking, breaking
I just watched a finals where Mike Sigel broke and ran 5 of the 9 racks, and he was playing on much slower cloth, so of course he had to hit them harder, and was controlling the cue ball much better.
Players from that generation had to break much harder, and therefore accept a much more random layout, that exercised the whole gamut of skills, (including 3-cushion type safeties) where a lot of younger players today simply have to pick the right angle off a template rack, and hit it square and moderately firm. And the 1 will end up in the same general area. When it DOESN'T, you often see them butcher any attempt to hit off either side of the 1 and go 3/4 rails for the safe.
With template racks and faster cloth negating much of what separates the best minds in pool from the rest of the field, it really is ludicrous to think that the players of today are "better" than 30 years ago.