Let's Make Jump Sticks, Tite Racks Illegal

garczar said:
Seriously, ....
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I'm not so sure the post was serious.

To the point of the thread, jump shots provide one method for escaping a safety but there are many instances where they provide no value. Any player who relies on a single method for getting out of a safety will show plenty weakness to exploit. If the OP is frustrated because weaker players can learn to jump cue balls, he should learn to leave better safeties.

I like learning as much as possible about kick shots. But in a game, my objective is to win. I'll use whatever legal shots are available. So, I also work on improving my skills at jumping and shooting masse shots.
 
trentfromtoledo said:
REAL TALK.

Why is it that people continually worry about what others are using/ doing.

If you dont like using them, DON'T! no one wants to hear you tell us how you you dislike that change has happened in pool.

Lame post from the OP.

Trent from Toledo
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Second lame post IMHO ….
 
poolhustler said:
Second lame post IMHO ….
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He is obviously bored and wants to say something.

Anyone who has a serious table set up by RKC, has the projection system, probably tons of expensive cues and STILL has something bad to say about what others are doing in pool is just ludicrous.

I could not bare to read more than the first page about tips.....

Getting old and being salty go hand in hand. Some people just can't be happy. I am trying very hard to not be that way as I get older. Being 43 and having a 7 month old baby girl is helping me tremendously. Gotta keep an open mind and be willing to LEARN all the time. Just my thoughts.


Trent from Toledo <<<<< Jumps with the Pechauer brand jump cue and racks em like I want them racked for me: TIGHT!
 
trentfromtoledo said:
REAL TALK.

Why is it that people continually worry about what others are using/ doing.

If you dont like using them, DON'T! no one wants to hear you tell us how you you dislike that change has happened in pool.

Lame post from the OP.

Trent from Toledo
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Trent, I did not know about Efren using a jump cue. If you read the responses, one can see about 1/2 of us think jump cues and tight racks should be banned, so it's not just me. I would like to see a poll on it. If anyone can get AZB to start the poll, please do. I'm thinking in the future, they will be banned.
 
Prairie dog said:
Trent, I did not know about Efren using a jump cue. If you read the responses, one can see about 1/2 of us think jump cues and tight racks should be banned, so it's not just me. I would like to see a poll on it. If anyone can get AZB to start the poll, please do. I'm thinking in the future, they will be banned.
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And what will this accomplish: NOTHING. You can poll about it, rant, piss and moan about it , YOU COULD EVEN WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT and nothing is going to come of it.

What you are saying is take MONEY out of POOL ?? How much money do you think is generated by jump cues that WORK AWESOME and template racks that WORK AWESOME???

If you don't like how pool is operating either start your own league or FIND ANOTHER HOBBY :)

Pool is not going to be saved single handedly by a couple of guys who are sour about jump cues and tight racks. You sound ridiculous.

Long live the jump cue and tight racks. All you old guys need to let go.

Trent from Toledo

P.s. Go spend some time feeding the homeless or helping unfortunate kids get help.
 
Me, I'm OK with tight racks. I'm OK with Jump Cues too. I don't like or agree with phenolic break tips. The make up for weaker breakers short comings. The reason I don't mind Jump Cues is there is less risk (imo) of damage to the cloth or balls with one vs a Full Length Cue. Easier to come into the cloth and drag a tear in it full length. Jump Cues just pop the cueball into the slate and bounce off and up.
 
I just don't get the hostility. It is a discussion forum after all. Why do folks have to get defensive and call others names over a forum post?

To the topic, I jump better with my playing cue. APA does no tallow jump cues and that is what I mostly play other than the odd tourney here and there. When I say I jump better, what I mean is I can get whitey up and over the blocker in a straight line most times. Whether or not I make the object ball is a crap shoot.

In other words, I fit SJM's earlier post to a T. I have a sneaking suspicion that if jump cues were banned, the folks who are dead money on jump shots would adjust and be dead money jumping with the full cue
 
The jump cue is the worst "innovation" pool has ever produced. I love Pat Flemming, but I wish he never came up with this idea.

Jump cues make it MUCH too easy to jump over balls to get out of tight spots, which greatly reduces the value of great safety play. Jumping with your full cue takes real skill. Anybody can jump with a jump cue.

As far as the rack is concerned, play 10-ball with a regular rack and no soft breaks.
 
Sorry if I came across as being a jerk, I apologize. I feel strongly against anything that is trying to take away from pool at this point.

I just feel that this is just simply ridiculous. Be happy pool is growing and stop trying to take away.

Trent from Toledo
 
trentfromtoledo said:
Sorry if I came across as being a jerk, I apologize. I feel strongly against anything that is trying to take away from pool at this point.

I just feel that this is just simply ridiculous. Be happy pool is growing and stop trying to take away.

Trent from Toledo
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I don't think taking jump cues AWAY deteriorates the game. In fact, watching fantastic rail shots adds to the game in the way it's supposed to. Every one loves to watch "the magician" with his rail shots. Everyone can gain in that area without jump cues.
 
LowRight said:
The jump cue is the worst "innovation" pool has ever produced. I love Pat Flemming, but I wish he never came up with this idea.

Jump cues make it MUCH too easy to jump over balls to get out of tight spots, which greatly reduces the value of great safety play. Jumping with your full cue takes real skill. Anybody can jump with a jump cue.

As far as the rack is concerned, play 10-ball with a regular rack and no soft breaks.
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It could be argued that it has INCREASED the value of great safety play. Due to the ability to jump it now requires a much better safety to lock up one's opponent to prevent a hit thus it has raised the bar for safety play.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
It could be argued that it has INCREASED the value of great safety play. Due to the ability to jump it now requires a much better safety to lock up one's opponent to prevent a hit thus it has raised the bar for safety play.
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This makes sense. I want to hear a legitimate argument disproving this exact point.

Oh, can't argue the specifics of this? Then DON'T try.


Trent from Toledo :eek:
 
I guess I do get a little offended when someone tries to take things away from others because they dont like those things. Who are you to tell others what they can or cannot do?

It is that kind of behavior that is stopping the world from progressing in so many ways.
Greed and Power are usually the means that promote trying to control others.

I think that it is pretty simple: If you don't like it where it is allowed, either go through the proper motions to have it removed or simply deal with it.

Telling others what they can and cannot do is not freedom.


Trent from Toledo
 
jviss said:
I don't understand the problem with either.

I think if there was a way to guarantee a tight rack every time, that would be a goo thing.

For jump cues, who cares? Maybe you could lobby for using the same cue for the entire game, and do away with break cues, too. I would understand the philosophical reason beyond such a rule. But otherwise I don't get it.
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Because pool is a two dimensional game unlike jerking off.

JC
 
Ban It!

I must say that, as a libertarian, I generally object to anyone calling for a ban of anything. If the league or professional association finds that a ban is necessary or better for the sport, I get that. But an individual calling for a ban because they don't like it? No, thanks.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
It could be argued that it has INCREASED the value of great safety play. Due to the ability to jump it now requires a much better safety to lock up one's opponent to prevent a hit thus it has raised the bar for safety play.
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It's not when they jump out of my weak safeties that galls me. I should have played tighter. No doubt.

It's when they jump out of their own careless shape that it leaves a bad taste and dilutes the game. This is about 80% of jump shots at my level of play.

Maybe jump shots should be legal only on the first shot after your opponent turns the table over to you. I could live with that.

JC
 
If you don't want someone to jump, play a safety so close to another ball that they can't. And no one says you have to jump. There ya go, problem solved.
 
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