Official High Run - 14.1

pt109 said:
I’m going with this....I respect the competitive runs the most...
...every shot, you must make a decision...to go for it or play safe.

I saw a big money game in Harlem when I was a kid...a top player was running out the
what would’ve been the last game...all the money was up...game was to 100...
...he missed at 99....chuckled...the other guy was going to 75...taking all the side bets....
...the guy ran out...a few hours later, he had the room broke.

....I enjoy the exhibition or practise runs, but far more balls will be made because there
are no white flags....it’s like playing the ghost, anything goes.
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I agree 100%.

I've seen only three 200+ ball runs in person. They were all during "ghost play". I've watched those same players for decades and from memory, the highest run during match play is around 90 or so. So, yep, I like to watch the ghost play for the big numbers.

I can relate with it myself. My personal best is 156. I was gambling but it was so cheap...lol...it may as well have been ghost play.

BTW, I ran 68 yesterday (ghost play and not recorded) and found it hard to go to sleep last night.

Runs over 50ish have been few and far between for me lately.

I hope I can put up just "one more" 100+ run before I check out.

My chiropractor is getting rich off me. Lol, he adjusts my neck, back etc...I then go home, play 14.1 and yep, the very next day....I'm sitting in my chiropractors office waiting to be adjusted again.

Just one more time on video and I'll be content!

Jeff
 
jrctherake said:
I agree 100%.

I've seen only three 200+ ball runs in person. They were all during "ghost play". I've watched those same players for decades and from memory, the highest run during match play is around 90 or so. So, yep, I like to watch the ghost play for the big numbers.

I can relate with it myself. My personal best is 156. I was gambling but it was so cheap...lol...it may as well have been ghost play.

BTW, I ran 68 yesterday (ghost play and not recorded) and found it hard to go to sleep last night.

Runs over 50ish have been few and far between for me lately.

I hope I can put up just "one more" 100+ run before I check out.

My chiropractor is getting rich off me. Lol, he adjusts my neck, back etc...I then go home, play 14.1 and yep, the very next day....I'm sitting in my chiropractors office waiting to be adjusted again.

Just one more time on video and I'll be content!

Jeff
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I’ve had some decent runs....for cash, never played to over 150, though....
...mostly shorter.
My two favorite runs...playing my first tournament (matches to 100)
...I’m playing Pat Howey, who had the high run-87....ran 89
...playing another guy for cash...to 75...I had beaten him on five occasions...
...he had me 72-0 and played safe...said “I finally got you, you SOB.”
...found a dead one...ran 75 and out...:smile:...he quit me for life
 
Nice, but competitive runs are not very long runs. Nobody plays to more than 150. Hell, not too many play straight pool anymore, maybe to 100.

We're talking long runs here, so you have to think about the situation. Official exhibition? That's like Jumbo Shrimp, or Partially Destroyed. There's no such thing. Think about it.

There are long runs, hampered in the past by lack of video or witnesses through the entire run. And give me a break with the 37 that signed that they witnessed Mosconi's run. That would have been at least two and a half hours, probably more. How many of you have sat still that long without a bathroom break? Or a beer break? Probably nobody.

I give credit to Mosconi, by the way, because of his character and integrity. If he and the guy racking the balls said he ran 526, then he ran 526. I also give Babe Cranfield the same credit, for running 768, because I knew Babe well. Signatures without penalty mean nothing to me.

Competitive, for long runs? There's no such thing. At the moment, there's John and a video camera. Unless the BCA has something to say about it, they are practice runs done by video. And if John breaks 526, he has broken Mosconi's official high run. And if he breaks Cranfield's run of 768, he has broken the all time run, known to this day.

That's it.

All the best,
WW
 
pt109 said:
I’ve had some decent runs....for cash, never played to over 150, though....
...mostly shorter.
My two favorite runs...playing my first tournament (matches to 100)
...I’m playing Pat Howey, who had the high run-87....ran 89
...playing another guy for cash...to 75...I had beaten him on five occasions...
...he had me 72-0 and played safe...said “I finally got you, you SOB.”
...found a dead one...ran 75 and out...:smile:...he quit me for life
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I've got the 156 to keep my memory company but, something tells me you were/are a better 14.1 player than I was/am, just a hunch but, my hunches are usually pretty dependable.

I have "very few" memories of me running more than 25 to 30 during match play. On the other hand, I have a ton of memories with me running 14 or less and then playing safe.

Sometimes it just seems like yesterday...
 
WildWing said:
Nice, but competitive runs are not very long runs. Nobody plays to more than 150. Hell, not too many play straight pool anymore, maybe to 100.

We're talking long runs here, so you have to think about the situation. Official exhibition? That's like Jumbo Shrimp, or Partially Destroyed. There's no such thing. Think about it.

There are long runs, hampered in the past by lack of video or witnesses through the entire run. And give me a break with the 37 that signed that they witnessed Mosconi's run. That would have been at least two and a half hours, probably more. How many of you have sat still that long without a bathroom break? Or a beer break? Probably nobody.

I give credit to Mosconi, by the way, because of his character and integrity. If he and the guy racking the balls said he ran 526, then he ran 526. I also give Babe Cranfield the same credit, for running 768, because I knew Babe well. Signatures without penalty mean nothing to me.

Competitive, for long runs? There's no such thing. At the moment, there's John and a video camera. Unless the BCA has something to say about it, they are practice runs done by video. And if John breaks 526, he has broken Mosconi's official high run. And if he breaks Cranfield's run of 768, he has broken the all time run, known to this day.

That's it.

All the best,
WW
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I wish what you say about taking someone's word was ok but, if we do that, there will be tens of thousands of 100+, 200+, 300+, 400+....etc..etc..runs claimed before the next teardrop falls...lol....and trust me, 14.1 makes people cry, cry, cry....lol
 
jrctherake said:
I wish what you say about taking someone's word was ok but, if we do that, there will be tens of thousands of 100+, 200+, 300+, 400+....etc..etc..runs claimed before the next teardrop falls...lol....and trust me, 14.1 makes people cry, cry, cry....lol
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I get what you say JC, but you don't understand, unless you were Babe's practice player for two years.

All the best,
WW
 
jrctherake said:
I wish what you say about taking someone's word was ok but, if we do that, there will be tens of thousands of 100+, 200+, 300+, 400+....etc..etc..runs claimed before the next teardrop falls...lol....and trust me, 14.1 makes people cry, cry, cry....lol
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There's hearsay and then there's hearsay. Irving Crane, whom I knew personally, opined to me that Babe Cranfield had more 300+ runs than anyone that ever lived and that Babe's claim of two runs of 700+ was highly credible. Nearly all the claims of long practice runs, even the 400+ runs by the likes of Sigel, Hopkins, Hohmann or DiLiberto were unrecorded and had no official attestations. Should we discard them or just take it on faith? I don't know about you, but I'm taking it on faith.

... but I also agree with the general sentiment that a practice run should not count as the world record.
 
sjm said:
There's hearsay and then there's hearsay. Irving Crane, whom I knew personally, opined to me that Babe Cranfield had more 300+ runs than anyone that ever lived and that Babe's claim of two runs of 700+ was highly credible. Nearly all the claims of long practice runs, even the 400+ runs by the likes of Sigel, Hopkins, Hohmann or DiLiberto were unrecorded and had no official attestations. Should we discard them or just take it on faith? I don't know about you, but I'm taking it on faith.

... but I also agree with the general sentiment that a practice run should not count as the world record.
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Generally agree. And by the way, when Sigel was house pro at Champion Billiards at Frederick, Maryland, I asked him what his high run was. He said it was in the 300s, which I found incredible, since I watched him run more than that at Gentlemens' Cue, in Reisterstown, Maryland, in 1981. It seems he actually underestimated himself on occasion, which was rare for Sigel.

This hunting of the high run can be a bit confusing, can't it? Well, that's why we're here.

All the best,
WW
 
WildWing said:
Generally agree. And by the way, when Sigel was house pro at Champion Billiards at Frederick, Maryland, I asked him what his high run was. He said it was in the 300s, which I found incredible, since I watched him run more than that at Gentlemens' Cue, in Reisterstown, Maryland, in 1981. It seems he actually underestimated himself on occasion, which was rare for Sigel.

This hunting of the high run can be a bit confusing, can't it? Well, that's why we're here.

All the best,
WW
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Thanks for the correction.
 
WildWing said:
I get what you say JC, but you don't understand, unless you were Babe's practice player for two years.

All the best,
WW
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Oh, I do understand Sir. I know there have been and "are" people that can run really high numbers.

I understand that it's a "thing of beauty" to see someone move the ball like he did. There are people today that play similar to that. They just dont play 14.1 enough to matter and probably never will.

He and his game are missed greatly.

We are in agreement;)
 
jrctherake said:
Oh, I do understand Sir. I know there have been and "are" people that can run really high numbers.

I understand that it's a "thing of beauty" to see someone move the ball like he did. There are people today that play similar to that. They just dont play 14.1 enough to matter and probably never will.

He and his game are missed greatly.

We are in agreement;)
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JC, tried to give you a greenie, and as usual, I have to spread some more around. But, you get a greenie.

All the best,
WW
 
sjm said:
There's hearsay and then there's hearsay. Irving Crane, whom I knew personally, opined to me that Babe Cranfield had more 300+ runs than anyone that ever lived and that Babe's claim of two runs of 700+ was highly credible. Nearly all the claims of long practice runs, even the 400+ runs by the likes of Sigel, Hopkins, Hohmann or DiLiberto were unrecorded and had no official attestations. Should we discard them or just take it on faith? I don't know about you, but I'm taking it on faith.

... but I also agree with the general sentiment that a practice run should not count as the world record.
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Well, now your not talking about 14.1.

Sir, now your talking about character, ethics etc..etc... I too know people that have character and such but, we "for the sake of pool" have to require something other than a handshake these days as "these days" are wwwwaaayyyy different from "those days".

Just sayin
 
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