Thank you for the suggestion, but I think I pass. I don’t want to have to shave my hairy legs. :grin-square:
Regards,
Dave
Top 10 Secrets of a Good Draw Shot
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Dave
Another version of this drill is to spot the OB on the table's center spot (between the side pockets) and shoot it straight into a side pocket. It's surprising how quickly you can get too far out of line.
Version 3 (C?) is to allow follow shots...
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This may be covered in the video - it's something I've recently realized about my own draw stroke:
If you find yourself miscuing more than you'd expect on hard draw shots, try moving your grip hand a little farther back to keep the tip from dipping too quickly. If the tip is moving downward rather than level, not only are you hitting lower on the CB, but the miscue limit is also actually higher on the CB.
Think of using a striped ball as the CB with the stripe horizontal - the miscue limit for draw (our target contact point for maximum draw) is the bottom edge of the stripe. Since our sticks are always elevated at least a little (so the butt clears the rail), the stripe must be tilted a little to be parallel with the direction the tip is moving so the edge of the stripe isn't below the miscue limit.
The tip's downward movement as it dips at the end of a stroke has the same effect - if the tip dips too early because the grip is a little too far forward, more miscues can result.
pj
chgo
If you find yourself miscuing more than you'd expect on hard draw shots, try moving your grip hand a little farther back to keep the tip from dipping too quickly. If the tip is moving downward rather than level, not only are you hitting lower on the CB, but the miscue limit is also actually higher on the CB.
Think of using a striped ball as the CB with the stripe horizontal - the miscue limit for draw (our target contact point for maximum draw) is the bottom edge of the stripe. Since our sticks are always elevated at least a little (so the butt clears the rail), the stripe must be tilted a little to be parallel with the direction the tip is moving so the edge of the stripe isn't below the miscue limit.
The tip's downward movement as it dips at the end of a stroke has the same effect - if the tip dips too early because the grip is a little too far forward, more miscues can result.
pj
chgo
I don’t disagree, but why do you think visualizing the CB beyond it’s actual position is beneficial?
Stroke through the ball.
Maybe for the reason I described in the post just above yours (grip position)...?
pj
chgo
I think this is more related to cue elevation (as covered in the video), rather than any tip dipping, as described and illustrated in the video and on the draw cue-elevation-effects resource page.
I agree that this can be a factor; although, if one has the tip close during their "set" position, this is not much of an issue. Also, even with a typical pendulum stroke, the cue tip's path is surprisingly straight over a much larger distance than one might think, per TP B.18 – Pendulum Stroke Cue Tip Trajectory.
Regards,
Dave
Agreed. Visulizing the CB ahead of its actual position encourages some people to accelerate into the ball and finish their stroke better.
Regards,
Dave
As usual great material from Dr Dave. Thanks for your many contributions to this game.
One observation about Sam's stroke. In part three the camera is in front of Sam. It appears as if Sam is not stroking straight. On the back stroke Sam is pulling the cue closer to her body. This causes the tip to the right. This in turn causes the cue ball to deflect to the left. This is further verified when the cue ball draws back to the left.
One observation about Sam's stroke. In part three the camera is in front of Sam. It appears as if Sam is not stroking straight. On the back stroke Sam is pulling the cue closer to her body. This causes the tip to the right. This in turn causes the cue ball to deflect to the left. This is further verified when the cue ball draws back to the left.
agreed with all points except the level cue
true power draws require a decent amount of elevation
true power draws require a decent amount of elevation
I don't believe this is true, except maybe for tightening the draw angle on relatively close shots. For most draw shots, especially those with no cut angle, I think the best action is achieved with a level-as-possible cue.
pj
chgo
the sweep in Samm's stroke that Kaz mentions also jumped out at me.
amidst the focus on the subject matter, did either of you notice it, Dr. Dave?
amidst the focus on the subject matter, did either of you notice it, Dr. Dave?
Thank you ... and you're welcome.
FYI, here is a pertinent NOTE from the YouTube video description:
"When I watched this shot in person, I was standing right behind the camera and I don't remember her stroke being crooked. I think I would have noticed if it was, and I would have asked her to do it again with a straighter stroke. I think it looks crooked in the video due to perspective issues with the camera angle and pendulum swing. I have seen this effect is other videos also. Samm's aim might have been slightly off and she might have hit the CB slightly off center, but I think the stroke was straight. Again camera perspective can create optical illusions since the vertical angle of the cue (up and down) is changing during the pendulum stroke. When I can find some time, I will post a follow-up video that clearly illustrates this effect."
I will try to post the follow-up video some time this coming week if I can find the time.
Regards,
Dave
I agree with Pat. Cue elevation is required on some shots (e.g., if bridging close to a rail, or if the bridge length is not very long), and it might help some people get more draw action (due to explainable factors), and it can certainly help with quick draw, but there is no advantage to adding elevation on a straight-back draw shot.
For those interested, this topic is covered in detail here:
draw shot cue elevation effects
Enjoy,
Dave
A good stroke and a tip you can count on..
... and everything else covered in the video. :grin-square:
Regards,
Dave
I didn’t watch the video yet... but can you use your teaching techniques to duplicates Corey’s frozen to the rail Mosconi cup draw stroke that was the hot thread a few days ago?