when you draw, where should the cb contact the tip?

[CocoboloCowboy]

Lots of good suggestions, but learning to draw is like anything else you want to be good at............practice makes it second nature.

Also Draw is much harder to control compared to follow.

 

[straightline]

The "DD treatise" (assuming DD means Dr. Dave) is simply that a level-as-possible cue gets the best draw action. The fact that it's usually (but not always) impossible to hit the CB with a level cue doesn't contradict that.

If there cannot be a level stroke, then the fact that shooting down 'could' diminish backspin is defacto moot.

Here's a diagram I've posted a few times showing how tip width and curvature change what part of the tip contacts the CB at the miscue limit. It shows a 12.75mm and a 10mm tip, each with a nickel and a dime curvature, hitting the CB at the miscue limit.



They all hit pretty close to their edge at the CB's miscue limit - the narrowest, flattest tip hits right on its edge there.

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Love these diagrams. If you take those two draw cues and put fingers under them, you're hitting just below center. Just sayin' ...

Yeah I know it's just an illustration.

Lemme ask you - and I've put zero thought into this, what do you make of the $20 Jim Rempe ball with the draw line outside the miscue limit?

 

[JazzyJeff87]

If there cannot be a level stroke, then the fact that shooting down 'could' diminish backspin is defacto moot.



Love these diagrams. If you take those two draw cues and put fingers under them, you're hitting just below center. Just sayin' ...

Yeah I know it's just an illustration.

Lemme ask you - and I've put zero thought into this, what do you make of the $20 Jim Rempe ball with the draw line outside the miscue limit?

What?? Lol

What is this about fingers under the cue?

Could you post a video of this awesome downward draw stroke you’ve figured out? I want to see how much accurate action you get before I make the switch.

 

[straightline]

What?? Lol

What is this about fingers under the cue?

Could you post a video of this awesome downward draw stroke you’ve figured out? I want to see how much accurate action you get before I make the switch.

That's wut she sed...

We were arguing about level cue obviously and determined that level cue for draw doesn't exist.

As for that video, I'm not a pool player. I just play one on the internet...

 

[JazzyJeff87]

That's wut she sed...

We were arguing about level cue obviously and determined that level cue for draw doesn't exist.

As for that video, I'm not a pool player. I just play one on the internet...

Yeah yeah yeah and what’s your other screen name(s) on here? Later bro

 

[jasonlaus]

Yeah yeah yeah and what’s your other screen name(s) on here? Later bro

You know it isnt Dean.... he's not talking about 2 pigs in a poke, a quarter two fifty to miss, ratchet straps and baby backs, Judy, and whatever other nonsense he can come up with to try to sound cool.

 

[straightline]

Yeah yeah yeah and what’s your other screen name(s) on here? Later bro

Lol maybe you guys should try some pool on worn out equipment.

 

[sgengaro86]

People talk about snap on a stroke to help draw the ball and I think this is completely wrong. The cue tip and cue ball only react to the speed of the stroke, where the cue ball is contacted and how level the stroke is. Nothing else matters.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If there cannot be a level stroke, then the fact that shooting down 'could' diminish backspin is defacto moot.

Those who know it 'does' diminish backspin keep their cue as level as possible and draw more - others who don't do that draw less. It's not moot to either.

Lemme ask you - and I've put zero thought into this, what do you make of the $20 Jim Rempe ball with the draw line outside the miscue limit?

If you mean the one pictured below, I don't know how it's supposed to be used, but tip/ball contacts outside the blue line (halfway from center to edge) are in miscue territory. If the lines are intended to show where the cue's centerline is, then they might all work except the red one.

pj
chgo

 

[deanoc]

86
I think you are right about the wrist talk and snap
I don't think it has anything to do with it

when I was younger that talk confused me and I still find myself trying to snal
this is what creates miscues and misses for me
j

 

[straightline]

People talk about snap on a stroke to help draw the ball and I think this is completely wrong. The cue tip and cue ball only react to the speed of the stroke, where the cue ball is contacted and how level the stroke is. Nothing else matters.

This is true to a degree. The snap can be the best option for extreme draw when the CB and OB are in close quarters. (see Mike Masse or your favorite stroker stuff)

 

[JazzyJeff87]

People talk about snap on a stroke to help draw the ball and I think this is completely wrong. The cue tip and cue ball only react to the speed of the stroke, where the cue ball is contacted and how level the stroke is. Nothing else matters.

That’s true but for some people that is the way they get the correct amount of speed, power, whatever to the cue ball.

So it’s not that the wrist snap is necessary for what theyre doing, it’s just the way they’ve figured it out. And with enough practice you can do pretty well despite the snap, and think you’re doing well because of it.

That’s my take on it anyway

 

[Patrick Johnson]

People talk about snap on a stroke to help draw the ball and I think this is completely wrong. The cue tip and cue ball only react to the speed of the stroke, where the cue ball is contacted and how level the stroke is. Nothing else matters.

Snapping the wrist adds speed to the stroke, so it's relevant in principle - it just doesn't add enough speed to matter. I think it might be a speed fine tuner...

pj
chgo

 

[straightline]

Those who know it 'does' diminish backspin keep their cue as level as possible and draw more - others who don't do that draw less. It's not moot to either.


If you mean the one pictured below, I don't know how it's supposed to be used, but tip/ball contacts outside the blue line (halfway from center to edge) are in miscue territory. If the lines are intended to show where the cue's centerline is, then they might all work except the red one.



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Yeah that's it. My brain locked up as soon as I saw this thing. Damn this VB won't quote pictures. No dragging either. Getting your images off my desktop. Hope you don't mind.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...there's a diminishing return from getting really really close to the miscue limit on a longer draw shot, and the reason for this is that CB speed diminishes with the extremely off-center strike from the tip.

I think the amount of spin that gets worn off is proportional to the amount of time the ball slides, not the distance - so faster with a little less spin to start can be the better tradeoff.

pj
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