Lee Trevino used to play with a baseball bat and a rake. Or so I'm told. Probably not in spec, but it wasn't a tournament. Where's that broomstick?
should pro tournaments ban the jump cue?
- Thread starter Cameron Smith
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What I meant was only for shots on the green....not many surprise there. I had a putter I just loved.
...kept through every set...and the hits are pretty consistent on a green....same stance, same club.
A change of putters put Trevino on his longest winning streak....so they are sorta like cues, to me.
That was a gaff bet against a rich sucker.
I would say it makes safety play require more thought and execution. Definitely doesn't eliminate it imo.... Rather than slopping the CB behind a mass of balls, you need to put some effort into CB/OB placement.
Obviously I'm as "pro" jump stick as some commenting are against it. I don't see it as a death knell for kicking and/or a degradation of the game. I view jumping as another element to the game that increases strategy. Jump sticks don't negate the skill of kicking. Anyone that ignores the kicking skill set and hangs their hat on the jump, isn't going too far.
The argument over the short cue over a full length jumping is moot until you ban breakers and extensions as well.
You must be talking about very close. You can get more than a 30-degree forward angle with the balls only 1/4" apart. Good for short shots anyway...
pj <- and by you I mean not me
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There are jump shots over balls with a mm or less between them. Someone may even have demonstrated with a frozen ball. I believe the cue ball comes up with the cue stick and gets pushed over the close ball, maybe by the backspin rubbing on the tip. I'd hate to have to call such a shot without seeing the action on super slo-mo.
To add to the quote by Shooting Arts, if you have the right equipment and the right skill set, you can legally jump balls that a really close together. The Marty Cary cue is an example of that. I have jumped object balls that were just under a chalk width from the cue ball with that cue and its not a foul.
Agree with this. Jumping is just part of the natural evolution of the game. People talk about trying to eliminate slop but are ok with slopping a safe. It just makes you up your safety game. There are times were a kick is more strategic while some times a jump produces a higher probability to make a ball. Like with other sports, its the ones that want things to be how they were 20 years ago that don't like change.
Agree with this. Jumping is just part of the natural evolution of the game. People talk about trying to eliminate slop but are ok with slopping a safe. It just makes you up your safety game. There are times were a kick is more strategic while some times a jump produces a higher probability to make a ball. Like with other sports, its the ones that want things to be how they were 20 years ago that don't like change.
Yes, but there's the other side of the coin. The jump cue, by reducing the cost of position poorly played, has also taken some of the skill out. Using your logic, I say get rid of it and that will make you up your position play game.
You can ball park the clearance needed to jump a close ball with a playing card. Drop it in the gap and however it lays in there is the maximum takeoff angle. Close ones might require many feet of vertical air to cross the obstruction. Course if the blocking ball is playable you only need land on it which might be legally doable at close range.
I'm sorry but that's a bit a of a weak contradictory point. Do you mean to sat that you believe that the consequences of poor offensive position play is moot because one can jump a ball easier with a jump stick and end up with the same shape afterward if they hadn't hooked themselves to being with...? Bit of a stretch imho...
Yes, a jump stick can get you out of a self induced jam. However that does not equate to zero consequence for that original poor shot.
In the modern game, it often equates to a greatly reduced penalty for position poorly played, and that doesn't sit well with me. Up your position play and you won't need the crutch known as the jump cue as often.
Fair enough...
Funny though.... Let me edit your comment just a bit and let me know your thoughts...:
"In the modern game, it often equates to a greatly reduced penalty for position poorly played, and that doesn't sit well with me. Up your position play and you won't need the crutch known as the cue extension as often."
Let me ask you. Do you have an issue with cue extensions...?
oh how about this...:
"In the modern game, it may equate to a lessened advantage for safety position poorly played, and that sits well with me. Up your safety play and you won't need to worry about the crutch known as the jump cue as often."
I want to be clear that I'm definitely not attempting to mock your comments. In fact I completely agree with the sentiment. Your wording can be so easily augmented to suit either side of the debate, it was hard not to do so.
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Your logic is so flawed, I don't know where to start....
I’m not pro, but I can shoot in the low 80’s easily with 3 clubs and a putter. Hell, I can putt almost as well with the belly of a wedge as with a putter...
Tour pros will break par on an average course with 3 clubs without even blinking.
Having said that, I carry all 14 clubs, and love me my jump cue!
Like I said earlier, most of the guys that I know that say that they don't like jump cues, are not very proficient with one. The guys that I know that can jump pretty good all love jump cues. The old school players don't like change I guess. But if you don't adapt to the new equipment and rules, your game will most certainly fade as compared with guys that embrace the changes and excel at them.
I don't speak for the masses, the masses have spoken over and over in every interview and post on here.
Again, jumping is not the same as jump cues, and like all the other "fix pool" ideas, the issue is not jumping or no jumping or new ball colors or new games or anything else. It's lack of marketing to the masses and the interest of just watching the game played. Normal people like watching trick shots not actual matches. We have had jump cues for years now, where are all the new players and fans and pool on TV and in the Olympics and on soda cans and sneakers? The current decline in pool after the 80s and 90s boom was exactly during the jump cue era, this has nothing at all to do with anything. Casual pool players have no idea about the game in general, they think banking or jumping every other ball is a sign of a good player LOL Nothing past trick shots or pretty girls playing will interest them.
The time pool was big everyone wore suits, had proper manners and did not jump balls, in fact the biggest games were boring like tapping a ball to move it 1/8th of an inch to a rail or running 150 in straight pool shooting simple shots. Now with fancy lights, fancy cues and fancy ball colors there are 1/20th the amount of pool halls and no real interest in it as a real sport.
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That is just a cop-out reasoning to want to use jump cues, like all the other reasoning people come up with to get the result they want. Want to rob a bank, it's insured anyway and the banks are "big business" that deserve it. Want to cheat on your taxes? Everyone else is probably doing it. Want to drive too fast for safety? I'm a good driver so it's OK for me. Here it's "well if he did not want me to use my 10" long 4 oz cue to jump this ball 1/2 inch from the other ball he should have frozen me to the ball from 8 feet away, it's his fault for not executing to 100% ability on every shot".
There is really no valid argument for jump cues past "I can jump balls easy with it so want to use it".
Because all those other things enhance the game, and a jump cue makes it less of a game and more of an equipment gimmick. You can play on any cloth, you can use any shaft, you can use any tip, but you sure as hell can't jump a full ball near another one with a normal stick. The shot becomes possible ONLY because of the short light cue and it makes it too easy to negate a core element of the game. And the other jump shots people execute with their full cue are done based on skill and practice. I don't want a part of a game made trivial due to equipment, my son when he was 12 jumped a full ball on his 3rd every try with a jump cue, that is the skill level we want to aspire to? 12 yr old with no practice skill level good for everyone?