Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that Predator paints some of their cues, instead of using real woods.

7stud said:
Jack Handy, Deep Thoughts?? Here's another one:

Some people are like slinkies,
They don't really have a purpose,
But they still bring a smile to your face,
When you push them down the stairs.
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And you're still no making arguments about cues, even.

You come to azb for another purpose besides rational debate and learning. Care to share it with us?


Jeff Livingston
 
9ballscorpion said:
Does this sound cheap to you?

"Metallic Black Hard Maple"

Sounds like a fancy way of them saying "Painted Black over Maple".

Predator 9K-1 Pool Cue with Choice of Predator Shaft (billiardwarehouse.com)

I understand that Predator is not the only cue company who does this, but I think that a cue that expensive should have all real woods in it, and without any paint, or whatever it is that they are coving the ugly Straight Grain Maple with, to make it appear to have a nice Ebony look to it.
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You are paying for the high tech aspects of the predator shaft .. and Maple IS THE WOOD that 99.9% of cue sticks are made from due to its tight grain, the fact that it is very hard .. much harder than oak for example .. and its resistance to warping if properly stored and maintained.
 
9ballscorpion said:
I do not have an issue with Stained woods, because they are just stained. You can still see the natural wood under the Stain. I never understood why cue makers Stain Birds Eye Maple though, because it is such a beautiful figured wood that looks so much better in its Natural state, in my opinion. I do understand why cue makers would paint over Straight Grain Maple though, because it is very ugly in my opinion.

The issue with Predator, or any other cue maple painting over the maple is that if that cue ever needs to get refinished, or gets refinished, then I believe that Paint (or whatever it is) will come right off during the refinish process. I remember a thread on here a long time ago, about a Predator cue that got refinished, and the black paint came right off during the sanding phase of the finish being removed. That would not happen with Stained wood.
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I do a lot of wood working .. furniture building .. I have "refinished" quite a few stained pieces .. mostly make from Red Oak or Hard Maple. If an item is stained .. 99% of the time as the surface coat .. polyurethane, shellac etc., is removed, so is the stain. The items are re-stained and then a new finish coat is applied. Wouldn't be any different with a painted or stained pool cue butt.
 
maha said:
no sense buying any cue that is painted, you dont know what is underneath they are hiding. why you paint something is because without paint it is ugly.
paint on a cue says cheap.

stain or clear coat is to protect the wood. paint is to hide it.
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Stain alone won't protect any wood. Stain is simply a color that brings out the grain in wood .. then a protective coating is applied .. normally a polyurethane / shellac / or in some cases certain types of oils (in which case the oil needs to be frequently re-applied as it dries out quickly).
 
9ballscorpion said:
Does this sound cheap to you?

"Metallic Black Hard Maple"

Sounds like a fancy way of them saying "Painted Black over Maple".

Predator 9K-1 Pool Cue with Choice of Predator Shaft (billiardwarehouse.com)

I understand that Predator is not the only cue company who does this, but I think that a cue that expensive should have all real woods in it, and without any paint, or whatever it is that they are coving the ugly Straight Grain Maple with, to make it appear to have a nice Ebony look to it.
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My predator sp6gl ( http://www.billiardshowroom.com/predator/Predator_SP6GL.html ) is painted. I know this because I have dinged the cue on the butt and the black paint chipped off... I'm not sure if all of the points are fake, I do know the biggest, black point is though. You can also tell if you look closely at the end of the point closest to the joint: It doesnt look like it is spliced in (sharp edge), it looks like its sort of round and painted... You can even see it from the picture in the link.
 
pw98 said:
My predator sp6gl ( http://www.billiardshowroom.com/predator/Predator_SP6GL.html ) is painted. I know this because I have dinged the cue on the butt and the black paint chipped off... I'm not sure if all of the points are fake, I do know the biggest, black point is though. You can also tell if you look closely at the end of the point closest to the joint: It doesnt look like it is spliced in (sharp edge), it looks like its sort of round and painted... You can even see it from the picture in the link.
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Wow, I think that is really messed up, in my opinion. For the kind of money they charge for their cues, those points should be real. That is a really nice looking cue. Sad that it is just artwork, and the points are not real.

Edit: Okay, I see that it only retails for around $500, but I still think that no $500 cue should have what I would consider to be decal points in it. Looks super nice, but if ever refinished, then all of that artwork will be gone, I assume.
 
289FIA said:
I do a lot of wood working .. furniture building .. I have "refinished" quite a few stained pieces .. mostly make from Red Oak or Hard Maple. If an item is stained .. 99% of the time as the surface coat .. polyurethane, shellac etc., is removed, so is the stain. The items are re-stained and then a new finish coat is applied. Wouldn't be any different with a painted or stained pool cue butt.
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Check out these picks of finished cues after they were refinished, or restored. Many of them have stains in the Birds Eye Maple, or whatever, and I do not know, but I never knew that the cue maker had to re stain them after removing the finish.

Proficient Billiards Cue Repair Gallery

I never liked stained cues, so I wondered the same, if I were to get the cue refinished, if the stain would come off. I once asked this question on a forum or facebook group, and I was told that the stain would not come off during a typical refinish, and that it would require a lot of extra sanding to get the stain to come off.
 
289FIA said:
You are paying for the high tech aspects of the predator shaft .. and Maple IS THE WOOD that 99.9% of cue sticks are made from due to its tight grain, the fact that it is very hard .. much harder than oak for example .. and its resistance to warping if properly stored and maintained.
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Pool cues (production, and custom) are made using all sorts of different types of woods, not just Maple.
 
9ballscorpion said:
Check out these picks of finished cues after they were refinished, or restored. Many of them have stains in the Birds Eye Maple, or whatever, and I do not know, but I never knew that the cue maker had to re stain them after removing the finish.

Proficient Billiards Cue Repair Gallery

I never liked stained cues, so I wondered the same, if I were to get the cue refinished, if the stain would come off. I once asked this question on a forum or facebook group, and I was told that the stain would not come off during a typical refinish, and that it would require a lot of extra sanding to get the stain to come off.
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I hate wood cues that are stained a color that isn’t naturally a wood color.

For example, a Birdseye maple forearm and butt sleeve that is stained bright purple, green, gray, blue, or red.

I don’t mind if the maple is darkened with stain to resemble the color of a different species of wood.
 
9ballscorpion said:
Check out these picks of finished cues after they were refinished, or restored. Many of them have stains in the Birds Eye Maple, or whatever, and I do not know, but I never knew that the cue maker had to re stain them after removing the finish.
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You made that abundantly clear five dozen posts ago, yet here we are.

"The issue with Predator, or any other cue maple painting over the maple is that if that cue ever needs to get refinished, or gets refinished, then I believe that Paint (or whatever it is) will come right off during the refinish process. I remember a thread on here a long time ago, about a Predator cue that got refinished, and the black paint came right off during the sanding phase of the finish being removed. That would not happen with Stained wood."
 
jimmyco said:
You made that abundantly clear five dozen posts ago, yet here we are.

"The issue with Predator, or any other cue maple painting over the maple is that if that cue ever needs to get refinished, or gets refinished, then I believe that Paint (or whatever it is) will come right off during the refinish process. I remember a thread on here a long time ago, about a Predator cue that got refinished, and the black paint came right off during the sanding phase of the finish being removed. That would not happen with Stained wood."
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Justin has a tendency to repeat things over and over and over and over and over and over.............

He also uses the word “amazing” an amazing number of times...over and over and over and over...........
 
jimmyco said:
You made that abundantly clear five dozen posts ago, yet here we are.

"The issue with Predator, or any other cue maple painting over the maple is that if that cue ever needs to get refinished, or gets refinished, then I believe that Paint (or whatever it is) will come right off during the refinish process. I remember a thread on here a long time ago, about a Predator cue that got refinished, and the black paint came right off during the sanding phase of the finish being removed. That would not happen with Stained wood."
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It seems that you did not read the post that I was replying to. Here is what the poster stated, and that was what I was replying to.

"I do a lot of wood working .. furniture building .. I have "refinished" quite a few stained pieces .. mostly make from Red Oak or Hard Maple. If an item is stained .. 99% of the time as the surface coat .. polyurethane, shellac etc., is removed, so is the stain. The items are re-stained and then a new finish coat is applied. Wouldn't be any different with a painted or stained pool cue butt."

You see, he stated that the stain is removed during a refinish, so that is why I made the reply that I made. Do you understand now?
 
I understood from page one that you are clueless when it comes to wood finishing/refinishing.

No worries, Justin. It appears I am clueless when it comes to banned members rejoining under alias accounts while being sucked into their mindless prattle.
 
jimmyco said:
I understood from page one that you are clueless when it comes to wood finishing/refinishing.

No worries, Justin. It appears I am clueless when it comes to banned members rejoining under alias accounts while being sucked into their mindless prattle.
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I stated that Spray Paint comes off during a refinish, which it does, and I stated that I do not believe that Stains come off of a cue when it gets refinished. Am I wrong about either of those 2 things that I said?
 
9ballscorpion said:
Wow, I think that is really messed up, in my opinion. For the kind of money they charge for their cues, those points should be real. That is a really nice looking cue. Sad that it is just artwork, and the points are not real.

Edit: Okay, I see that it only retails for around $500, but I still think that no $500 cue should have what I would consider to be decal points in it. Looks super nice, but if ever refinished, then all of that artwork will be gone, I assume.
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Examining closer it looks like 2 of the points are real vener: the white point and the green point, but the 2 black points are painted on.
 
9ballscorpion said:
Wow, I think that is really messed up, in my opinion. For the kind of money they charge for their cues, those points should be real. That is a really nice looking cue. Sad that it is just artwork, and the points are not real.

Edit: Okay, I see that it only retails for around $500, but I still think that no $500 cue should have what I would consider to be decal points in it. Looks super nice, but if ever refinished, then all of that artwork will be gone, I assume.
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It retailed at 500$ in 2007 dollars so that has to be at least $900 now I suppose. The sp6gl is no longer available new.
 
pw98 said:
Examining closer it looks like 2 of the points are real vener: the white point and the green point, but the 2 black points are painted on.
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Okay, so the Veneers are real, but the black under the Veneers is just Spray Paint.

Billiard Warehouse states "six-point full splice construction" in their description of the cue, and it looks like the colored veneers are real.

Predator SP6GL 6 Point Road Line Pool Cue - On Sale Now (billiardwarehouse.com)

The description does not say what it is below the points, so that is all probably Spray Paint. That is still a really beautiful cue, I think. I just wonder what it would look like if it were to ever get refinished. It would not be so pretty after that, other then that nice piece of Curly Maple, in the forearm.

Edit: Those front Black veneers at the very top are probably Painted too, and not real veneers.

Here is one that has all natural woods, with no spray paint, and real Ebony. That is super nice.

Predator Limited Edition True Splice 16 Ebony Pool Cue (billiardwarehouse.com)
 
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