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Center Pocket Music: angled face and stepping the cueball
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Good Lord.
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Seriously. I've taken to facing the cue ball and ball track squarely. It's far more reliable than looking at everything obliquely simply to accommodate your good eye. Or worse one eye has to keep an eye on the edge line while the other has to make sure the center line doesn't go anywhere. The shot doesn't care what you think you see. There are posture and stroke considerations too that need to be addressed when you change your default head alignment. These are just a couple of non negotiable items were I to consider delving into CTE.
I can't figure this CTE out even after watching a bunch of the guys videos. It doesn't make much sense to me. Can anybody explain it in plain english so a person of average intelligence can understand it. Would joining the APA help? I read most of the stuff on your website but am still confused. Will it take 15 yrs?
What specifically are you having trouble with?
The center and the edge refers to the line extending through center of the CB and through the edge of the OB. On many common shots this is the sight line (SL) for the shot. Not all shots include this specific line, but that is what the name of the system is based on.
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Meanwhile put a latitude/longitude grid over the table. You will now have enough reference points to hit anything perfectly.
"That means for left cuts, your face angles toward the right, your eyes look left."
This is a mistake, right?
For left cuts face should angle inwards, towards the cut, so to the left?
oh I explained the right cuts but said left! I'll fix my post. good catch.
Fix this too: "Your left eye is dominant on the SL, your right eye dominant on the AL."
it is fixed. I should have just flipped the word "left" to "right", as that is the information I entered in the first place.
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I did see a video awhile back where there were about 57000 lines drawn all over the table. This was some guy trying to explain CTE. I guess I'm just destined to remain in the dark. All the videos, especially Stan's, are very confusing and do a very poor job of explaining things.
I'd hoped maybe this guy mohrt could help but after reading all his stuff I'm even more confused. I know it must work but I'm not smart enough to understand it. I like to spin my ball alot and they say use BHE but I can't get that to work either.
Do you think I should spend the 100 or should I try golf instead. I think golf is easier?
Depends what the 100 means to you. Best I can figure, this guy Houle started wondering why he was so good at shot making and devised CTE to explain it. Basically they say you can derive anything on the table with a few simple references. Red Flag as far as I'm concerned. I don't think a super computer could backwards engineer anything on the table with those references. OTOH, if you are accomplished at pool, any geometric constant can be a good reference. They won't all be necessary or necessarily productive but they can help to anchor your eyeball imaging. The line from the center of the cue ball to either edge of the object ball for instance will always be there and can be at the very least, used to orient those two balls and even your required location. You still need a clear idea of what you are shooting and frankly I don't think CTE will aid in that type of discovery.
Golf is simpler in premise. Swat a little ball around your personal hologram (included) until it comes to rest in a cup on the ground. Sounds very time consuming. Serious advice is spend a few years developing pool. Try traditional methods. Ghost ball is as good a place as any to start. Discover.
Center-to-edge is probably the most common "orientation" alignment. It's the most easily seen and arguably the most useful, being right in the middle of the range of cut angles. Aiming systems use it, and, as you say, it's also useful simply as a consistent starting alignment.
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Come to think of it, going edge to edge twice you have an X that marks the mid point. Just the thing for that mid point roll contact finder.
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It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
PJ, I don't know if you follow CTE or anything, but honestly if I just see/feel where to hit the ball and it goes in, is there anything to gain from this? I mean, I don't need to know that water is made out of hydrogen and oxygen atoms to enjoy a cool drink on a hot summer day.
I'm not discounting the system and I'd imagine it works well, but I don't know what there is to gain from it at this point. If I were just starting out, or had difficulty aiming I can understand it, but other than curiosity and understanding some secret aiming method I just don't know if I have a need for it personally.
If whatever franken-system I've developed over the years works, do you think it's worth learning CTE? I don't divide the ball up into sections, fractions, quadrants, edges, etc, I just know where to hit the sphere with the other sphere and it works. It's not ghost ball either as that discounts spin/throw/etc.
By "this", do you mean CTE the aiming system or using center-to-edge as a starting alignment for any kind of aiming? I don't use either one, but I can see the value of center-to-edge as a consistent starting alignment.
That's a common misunderstanding of ghostball - it should be visualized wherever it needs to be to account for spin/throw/etc.
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True. To make the problem/distinction clearer in discussions, I think it is good to refer to "uncorrected ghostball" and "corrected ghostball". The uncorrected version is the ghostball without throw correction and is the easiest to teach to raw beginners. The corrected version takes into account the throw and adjusts the ghost ball position as needed. The former is no good for shots over a couple of feet long and the latter is perfect if you know exactly how much throw will occur. Of course there is still the issue of landing the cue ball on the corrected ghostball.