Matchroom Predator Championship League Pool

gerryf said:
It does make sense.

The six players have a round robin.

The top four players in each league have a semi-final and final to determine the league winner. Melling was fourth in his league round robin, but won the semi-final and final.

Players who win a league move to the winners league. So Melling won league 1 and moves to the winners league. He waits until all the other 5 leagues are over, then the six league winners have their own round robin.

The person who comes in 6th in each league is eliminated.

Players who come in 2nd through 5th move into the next league (2 in this case.), and are joined by two new players (Fortunski and Alcaide). they will play off today, and that winner moves to the winners league, and 2nd through 5th move to league 3 joining two new players.

After all 6 leagues have their winners, the winners league plays a round robin, together with a semi-final and final. There will be an overall winner.

There's money for people who place in each league, and money for the people who place in the winners league.

Overall though, it means a tough tournament every day.

The overall winner will have won against the top players more than once.
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Your explanation of how it works is accurate except for the numbers. Each Group (they generally call them Groups rather than Leagues) has 7 players, not 6. The number of Groups is also 7, not 6. The number of players moving on to the next Group each day is 5 (all but the day's winner and the day's last place), not 4.

It's all explained, along with the results so far, here:

Championship League Pool - Matchroom Pool

Predator Championship League Pool brings 19 of the world’s best players together across eight days of top-class, quick-format 9-ball action. Seven groups of seven players, each completed in one day, produce seven group winners who play in the high-stakes Winners’ Group to determine the winner of...
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smoochie said:
So to you, it made sense that the guy who came 4th out of 6 players in a round-robin, then played semis and finals and won. Interesting... to me I would think the guy who came #1 in the round-robin deserves to win it all.

The winner of yesterday was not even in the mid-pack of the round-robin, he came 4 out of 6, which means only two guys after him, then he won it. Well for me it doesn't make sense except if the game is flawed, but it is 9ball a race to 5, so with that in mind, I know these things can happen.
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I would say this event is not designed to determine the best player. It's not designed for "fairness" to the players. It's designed for "TV appeal" to the audience.
 
smoochie said:
So to you, it made sense that the guy who came 4th out of 6 players in a round-robin, then played semis and finals and won. Interesting... to me I would think the guy who came #1 in the round-robin deserves to win it all.

The winner of yesterday was not even in the mid-pack of the round-robin, he came 4 out of 6, which means only two guys after him, then he won it. Well for me it doesn't make sense except if the game is flawed, but it is 9ball a race to 5, so with that in mind, I know these things can happen.
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So should college basketball teams that finish fourth in their conference be barred from winning their conference tournament and advancing to the NCAA? Because, in essence, that's what Melling did.
 
MattPoland said:
Does this mean the people in group 1 have an advantage? They get more chances to try to be the winner of a group. Where the people added later have less chances?
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Yes, it seems that way to me as well.

The people who start in group 1 have six leagues to get into the winners group, provided they come in 2nd through 5th.

I'm not sure how they pick the six in group 1, and the two new people in each of leagues 2 through 6. Appleton is in league 3 i think.

The two new people in league 6 have just that one day to get into the winner's league.
 
smoochie said:
So to you, it made sense that the guy who came 4th out of 6 players in a round-robin, then played semis and finals and won. Interesting... to me I would think the guy who came #1 in the round-robin deserves to win it all.

The winner of yesterday was not even in the mid-pack of the round-robin, he came 4 out of 6, which means only two guys after him, then he won it. Well for me it doesn't make sense except if the game is flawed, but it is 9ball a race to 5, so with that in mind, I know these things can happen.
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I think one of the things is that each match is a race to 5. Allison Fisher said that with all these top players, anyone could win a given match where it was so short. We've seen that already where there have been some surprises. Souquet did really well against Kaci and Oushan, but faded later. Melling didn't start well, but came from behind to win his league.

I also wondered why the round robin winner didn't advance automatically, and still had to play off against the players who came in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

Maybe it is just the race to 5 is needed to keep the league playable in one day, and the semi-final and final is just another hurdle to run.

Another odd thing is that if you were in group 1 and came in 2nd, advanced to the next group, and repeated that for each successive league until you finally won league 6, you could win more money than the overall winner. I think it's considered a feature not a bug.
 
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AtLarge said:
Your explanation of how it works is accurate except for the numbers. Each Group (they generally call them Groups rather than Leagues) has 7 players, not 6. The number of Groups is also 7, not 6. The number of players moving on to the next Group each day is 5 (all but the day's winner and the day's last place), not 4.

It's all explained, along with the results so far, here:

Championship League Pool - Matchroom Pool

Predator Championship League Pool brings 19 of the world’s best players together across eight days of top-class, quick-format 9-ball action. Seven groups of seven players, each completed in one day, produce seven group winners who play in the high-stakes Winners’ Group to determine the winner of...
www.matchroompool.com www.matchroompool.com
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Arrgh! You're right! I had in my mind a similar local league where everything was in sixes.
 
gerryf said:
I also wondered why the round robin winner didn't advance automatically, and still had to play off against the players who came in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
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I agree with this 100%, the round-robin winner should just advance instantly and end the day, I mean why they playing for 13 hrs a day :D
 
Dark horse Fortunski is topping table.
I like the daily round robin format where everyone plays each other but the grouping format of adding 2 every day is dumb. So unfair for players in last few groups like Group 6 and 7 where they only have 1 or 2 days to win the group while the players in earlier Groups 1 and 2 have so many more chances provided they don't end up last. Wonder if Jasmin or Denis Grabe would show up on Group 7 last day lol


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What a different day today is. It's like the wheels have fallen off. People must be burning out.
 
Albin has shown more emotion at the table today than he has cumulatively in 3 years lol. During one of the breaks he was talking with the referee and how they had to play 13 hours yesterday and then turn around and potentially do it again today, tomorrow, etc. I think the sheer volume of pool has worn him down already. I can’t imagine what these guys are going to look like on day 3 or 4 if they’re still in it. Brutal.
 
I'll use this thread to talk/ chitchat - about the predator league!

Who is that Fortunski !! I've never seen him before and I am completely shocked, does he play this good every time or is it like a one-time deal! I mean I am surprised at his skill in the game, he seems to me as good as Joshua filler as far as today goes.
 
spartan said:
Live scores https://cuescore.com/tournament/Predator+Championship+League+Pool+-+Group+2/8724388#schedule

Kelly has lowest Fargorate but it doing quite well against these guys who are at least 25 points above her. Fortunski 2nd lowest Fargo but topping table
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I know people use Fargo rate extensively but I said it the other day in another thread. I personally NEVER use Fargo rate to determine the difference in skill - I know a guy who has zero Fargo rate and can beat people who have 700 Fargo rate! for me, Fargo means nothing, honestly! it's all about how much you can spend traveling to join tournaments.

A guy who travels all around the world and finishes decently in most tournaments would have a better Fargo rate vs a guy who is much much better than him but does not travel and maybe just play one tournament a year, so yea! who cares about Fargo rate, definitely not me!
 
I like the format. Yes it's brutal (although not as brutal as the snooker version where the bottom two in each group are eliminated) but, as noted by the commentators, Chris Melling came through on Day 1 by playing his game, getting a top 4 placing and taking his chances in the playoffs. Other players are burning themselves out by second guessing themselves and putting too much pressure on themselves. I feel for them but it's also good to see that while us mere mortals can sometimes play as well as them, they can sometimes spend as much energy as us on routine decisions.
 
Haha, interesting yet again in Day 2!! the guy who dominated the league and won all of his matches then came to the final 4 stage (final 4 players for semis + finals) and lost his semi - did not even get to the final!! now he's in 4th place even though he dominated all players in the bracket league!! no that's not fair, race to 5 is brutal! you can lose to anybooody.
 
smoochie said:
Haha, interesting yet again in Day 2!! the guy who dominated the league and won all of his matches then came to the final 4 stage (final 4 players for semis + finals) and lost his semi - did not even get to the final!! now he's in 4th place even though he dominated all players in the bracket league!! no that's not fair, race to 5 is brutal! you can lose to anybooody.
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Yes but you have 6 chances to win half of your games and then win a semi and a final. The format is a refreshing change to single and double elimination contests where we don't see the full range of most of the players.
 
smoochie said:
Haha, interesting yet again in Day 2!! the guy who dominated the league and won all of his matches then came to the final 4 stage (final 4 players for semis + finals) and lost his semi - did not even get to the final!! now he's in 4th place even though he dominated all players in the bracket league!! no that's not fair, race to 5 is brutal! you can lose to anybooody.
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Fortunski did finish first in the round robin today, but he went 5-1, not 6-0.
 
Anyone know what the tiebreaker is to advance out of the group to the final four?

Kelly Fisher and David Alcaide Bermudez both went 3-3. She advanced. She lost to him 5-3, so the tiebreaker isn't head-to-head. She won 20 frames to his 19 (for all rounds in the round robin), so maybe that is the tiebreaker?
 
DieselPete said:
Anyone know what the tiebreaker is to advance out of the group to the final four?

Kelly Fisher and David Alcaide Bermudez both went 3-3. She advanced. She lost to him 5-3, so the tiebreaker isn't head-to-head. She won 20 frames to his 19 (for all rounds in the round robin), so maybe that is the tiebreaker?
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From http://www.matchroompool.com/championship-league-pool/

League Standings are determined by the following order:

  1. Most Points (1 point per win)
  2. Most Frames Won
  3. Fewest Frames Lost
  4. Head To Head Result
 
According to Matchroom, from next year Group 1 will include the defending champion and the top 6 ranked players. Nothing stated yet about how they will select players for the other groups, but as the Matchroom "tour" develops this competition can only get better.
 
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