can use break app, etc. to determine draw stroke speed?

mikemosconi said:
Yes, I think you are far better off striving for a cue stroke that gets through the cue ball to create whatever spin you desire ( for draw it would be backspin) with the least amount of cue stick speed. Think about creating revolutions of the cue ball, not about speed of cue stick to the cue ball- far better in the long run! Smoothness of stroke is just that - it is not about speed itself - it is the act of getting THROUGH the cue ball with controlled speed, gradually accelerating until a natural stop of the cue tip beyond where the cue ball lied and onto the table cloth itself.
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BRussell said:
Like others have said, anyone can hit hard, but can you hit it nice and low and accurately? A soft draw is important because you’re more likely to make the shot; if you need to hit it really hard when you draw, you‘re more likely to rattle the ball.
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thanks, I think I get it.
going back to dr. dave, he says you need cue speed for a big draw shot,
but to accelerate smoothly to get there, ensuring accuracy and consistency.
following through also appears to a tenet of a good draw stroke.
 
justnum said:
i never had cue md.

jumping the cue ball on the break is it worth it? thats a question that could be studied but the data available is mostly verbal and not scientific
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I know that when I pop the cue ball up on the break I get more action on the balls.
 
evergruven said:
thanks, I think I get it.
going back to dr. dave, he says you need cue speed for a big draw shot,
but to accelerate smoothly to get there, ensuring accuracy and consistency.
following through also appears to a tenet of a good draw stroke.
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You stay focused on the OB contact point all through the stroke in order to make the ball. It is really all feel that gives you the desired stroke on that CB. I recommend trying to take the words speed and power completely out of your pool vocabulary as a starting point to a great, effective stroke.

Cueing is way more about art than it is about force. I play at times with a guy who is an artist on the side, a painter, and when he is "on" he has one of the best pool strokes I have ever seen- he becomes very difficult to defeat. When he is "off" his game- he becomes very vulnerable at the table. Thank goodness he goes hot and cold, or I would never beat him with that stroke! The cue just glides through his hands, he is not even aware - it just happens for him when he gets in that zone. Our last tournament, he caught a gear, came from the loss side and went through all of us to win it :)
 
If you want to know how hard you hit a ball, just drive the object ball straight up and down the table. See how far it goes. See how far you can draw the cue ball in comparison. That's what one of the tests above is all about.
 
mikemosconi said:
You stay focused on the OB contact point all through the stroke in order to make the ball. It is really all feel that gives you the desired stroke on that CB. I recommend trying to take the words speed and power completely out of your pool vocabulary as a starting point to a great, effective stroke.

Cueing is way more about art than it is about force. I play at times with a guy who is an artist on the side, a painter, and when he is "on" he has one of the best pool strokes I have ever seen- he becomes very difficult to defeat. When he is "off" his game- he becomes very vulnerable at the table. Thank goodness he goes hot and cold, or I would never beat him with that stroke! The cue just glides through his hands, he is not even aware - it just happens for him when he gets in that zone. Our last tournament, he caught a gear, came from the loss side and went through all of us to win it :)
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thanks mike.
in my short career, I've always felt poetically about pool
which is why I'm constantly digging into the game in ways that aren't intuitive
so for me, technical jargon doesn't replace the art of the game-
it just helps me understand the game in a different way (when I actually understand it ^_^)
but yea, I can dig it..watch out for those artists:cool:
 
evergruven said:
I've honestly never used a break app, I guess because I don't care that much about the speed of my break
but it popped into my head that knowing the speed of a draw stroke could be useful- anybody mess around with such a thing?
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Draw strokes are less about speed and more about technique. I tend to have the best draw when I need only about 2 feet or so. I tell myself to slow down and relax. Then with a sweet little stroke the cue ball will back the entire length of the table. Drives me nuts.
 
eg9327 said:
Draw strokes are less about speed and more about technique. I tend to have the best draw when I need only about 2 feet or so. I tell myself to slow down and relax. Then with a sweet little stroke the cue ball will back the entire length of the table. Drives me nuts.
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Right??!! Then when you do need to draw a full table you end up shooting a stop shot. Im sure it happens because we grip the cue harder because we are going to swing the cue harder, at least thats what I think I was doing and trying to shoot draw shots with minimal speed has helped me tremendously.
 
I don't believe there's such a thing as a "draw stroke" - or a "follow stroke" or a "side spin stroke". All those terms indicate is where you need to contact the CB (low, high, left/right) - in other words, stroke accuracy.

Stroke accuracy is key with every kind of shot - other than accuracy and speed there are no special stroke features.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I don't believe there's such a thing as a "draw stroke" - or a "follow stroke" or a "side spin stroke". All those terms indicate is where you need to contact the CB (low, high, left/right) - in other words, stroke accuracy.

Stroke accuracy is key with every kind of shot - other than accuracy and speed there are no special stroke features.

pj
chgo
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good point, pat. (zing?)
 
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