dendweller
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Might depend on the tip on the revo, with the stock soft predator tip it hits about as soft as I've ever felt a stick hit.
Mcdermott Defy Shaft
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At the same time you said not shaft type, tip type, carbon vs wood etc. But with a lighter tip and shaft you can get more draw? Are we now not talking about type of tip and shaft?
Being that most cues shafts weigh 4 oz, yes they will produce the same spin. If the total weight of the cue is the same, yes same spin.
If you are going to compare a 16oz cue to a 30oz, yes you can technically get more spin it of the 16 oz.
So yes, generally speaking, different tip types, shaft types will not produce more spin. Period.
So, technically speaking, which is what Dr. Dave’s website is really all about, you did contradict yourself. But generally speaking, you didn’t.
Do you believe different shaft/tip combinations result in different amounts of deflection?
Yes, I tried to include in my statement coverage for the extreme outliers. If you want to get hung up on that, be my guest.
Different shafts produce different amounts of deflection, yes.
Do different tips? Maybe, probably so small it's not measurable to any reasonable accuracy and can be neglected.
Interesting.
I can’t get on my table at the moment, but tomorrow I’ll test this out. I have a cheap Players cue with whatever tip came on it. I’ll put in a genuine effort to play equivalent draw shots. Not sure of the best way to do this. Maybe play what I feel is a pretty strong draw shot with my playing cue, then keep on playing the same shot with the Players cue until I get as close as I can to it. My gut is telling me I’m not going to get the same amount of action from the Players cue as I will with my playing cue, but I’ve never actually tried it.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised at your results.
I think it is easiest to dial both cues in by steps. What I mean is, draw the cue 1 diamond with each, then try drawing 2 diamonds, etc. This ensures your are focusing on using the same stroke for each cue. I think to many times people get a biased or placebo effect going.
Also, same with testing side spin. Make the cue spin 1 diamond, then 2 diamonds over, etc. This test is slightly trickery because a high deflection shaft can appear to get less spin because deflection altered the path of the cue, so you just need to make sure both sticks are making contact the rail on the same path.
On a side note, people always say a softer tip get more spin, etc. I say BS. I let them shoot there test shot, then a do the exact same with my break cue, and get the same results.
Then I point out that I have a break tip on my playing cue and all night you didn't see me have any issues spinning the ball.
Yes, why couldn't you?
dendweller
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Is it a phenolic tip or just a hard leather?
Phenolic
The late Scott Lee demonstrated this to me during a lesson. He was telling me how 3 tips of English was the max you can consistently get before you miscue, regardless of tip or tip size. He set up a couple shots, and using the chalk mark from the tip striking the cue ball, he was right. 3 tips (or very close to it) was all I could get. Then he pulled out his break cue and he did the same drill...3 tips of english.
Not to jump into this but here is some food for thought. Florian had the spin record at around 28 seconds with a high performance wood shaft. He has since beat that record with a carbon shaft and the time was around 43 seconds. All other conditions were the same.
Yep, that's the miscue limit. Tip size doesn't really matter, it's where the tip actually contacts the cue ball that matters.
Soft or hard tip, they both contact about the same surface area of the cue ball.
Let me ask, why would one over the other make a difference?
Meaning the 43 second time over the 28 second time? Well considering it is a spin record, one could theorize that the technology of a carbon shaft allows for better energy transfer then wood and in the hands of someone who really knows what they are doing, can be that last little bit of help. Now if someone doesn't know how to draw a ball to begin with, they are not drawing a ball with carbon shaft.
Energy transfer difference is completely negligible. The wood shaft didn't bend like an accordion and the carbon shaft didn't expand like a spring. They are both fairly rigid bodies.
The only difference is he accelerated faster through the cue ball on his last hit, that's it
Agree to disagree. Florian could never get to 40 seconds with a wood shaft and if any one of us has a repeatable stroke, its him.
I'll agree that you are wrong.
Here is a video of someone getting 1 minute of spin with a wood shaft.... That took all of 5 seconds of searching to find... And it's 6 years old... Tell me about Florian's record again?
Too bad you didn't look at the table and the balls that were hit. That is on a carom table, which has a thinner cloth and are usually heated, which makes them spin longer. I myself have done 55 seconds on a carom table with a wooden carom shaft. The record that Florian hit is a legit Guinness World record that was done on a pool table with normal cloth that is hot super thin or heated.
Here is the official record video btw.