Dr. Dave Chalk shootout😃

The_JV said:
Ok, so if Taom is the bestest ever since introduction to the market. Can someone in the know break down the differences between:
  • Pyro
  • 2.0
  • V10
No hate, just curiousity. If I'm paying blood money for a piece of chalk I want it to match my playing surface. Two versions available in blue, the other only green. Don't care about the reasoning behind the colours. Only the charactistics that differentiate between the offerings.

Thanks
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Pyro is great and V10 is better. V10 seems to be a bit cleaner. With pyro, you would occasionally (barely ever) get tiny flakes of chalk on the cloth. It's almost as if at times (like a wildly struck miscue) the chalk bunched up. Think of a small tear from hitting a piece of saran wrap on a solid surface with a hammer. It's excellent chalk and played very well but the tip looked odd if you wildly struck it enough to glaze a tip. The tip didn't glaze, but the chalk peeled up. Think of silly putty, it breaks if you pull it too fast.

V10 is basically nothing like that. It plays great and there's no "tearing" or whatever you would call it. Just super consistent coating that is also very clean. No "chalk clouds" like you see on most chalk at break speed. To me, V10 feels more like what you would expect of a classic chalk, but much better grit consistency and it stays on the tip.

The green color isn't an issue on blue cloth because it really doesn't get on there like with other chalks. It's lightning in a bottle as far as I'm concerned regarding chalk. You can do the same thing with a 50 cent cube, but it's much cleaner and much more consistent. One less thing to think about. I won't ever talk badly about Master, it's fine chalk. I have had different batches or different humidity levels in the room make it coat a bit differently. It still worked fine, but again, it's messy.

The only chalk I'll talk bad about is a cube of Sportscraft I tried. That stuff is garbage. Silvercup is OK if you need it to match a cloth color, but it's worse than Master and the same price.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well if what his name, Jason who set 14:1 Record was using Blue Diamond, or another brand the buzz would be different.


It’s like some fisherman longing record Bass, everyone wantS to know, Rod, Reel, Line, what color & brand plastic worm?

Its all hype, lucky angle spend how much time in water?
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What you say can be a phenomenon, however I ordered mine and was using it before the 14:1 event with him even happened. You're justifying stuff with broad guesses and old wives tales. Jayson could have been wearing magical copper underwear and I couldn't care less. I got a product and tried it (and liked it) without knowing one famous person who played with it. I had good luck with pyro so I figured I'd try the company's new offering and was pleased.
 
boogieman said:
What you say can be a phenomenon, however I ordered mine and was using it before the 14:1 event with him even happened. You're justifying stuff with broad guesses and old wives tales. Jayson could have been wearing magical copper underwear and I couldn't care less. I got a product and tried it (and liked it) without knowing one famous person who played with it. I had good luck with pyro so I figured I'd try the company's new offering and was pleased.
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I have to say his "broad guesses" and "old wives tails" were mostly correct.

Maybe not in your world, but many consumers will try it because someone else (in this case Jason) was successful with it. A lot of consumers will buy it just for that reason.

When you first tried Toam, what lead you to try it? A friend had some? You were curious? Someone talked it up, so you said ...what the hell, I'll try it?
 
buckshotshoey said:
I have to say his "broad guesses" and "old wives tails" were mostly correct.

Maybe not in your world, but many consumers will try it because someone else (in this case Jason) was successful with it. A lot of consumers will buy it just for that reason.

When you first tried Toam, what lead you to try it? A friend had some? You were curious? Someone talked it up, so you said ...what the hell, I'll try it?
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For me I seen some mention of it and praise on Facebook, then started reading reviews which were all good so I decided i would to try it.
 
One picture is worth a thousand words they say. I compared Master with Taom v10 using Aramith Black Measles balls and Elephant Practice Balls. The Elephant practice balls are designed to hold chalk so you can see where your shaft tip meets the cue ball. The Taom cannot be used for this as even balls designed to hold chalk do not hold any Taom v10 (doesn't hold Taom Pyro either). Master is perfect for this purpose.

The two balls on the right of the picture show this. No chalk on the Elephant Ball and no chalk on the Aramith Black ball. It should be noted that the Aramith ball on the right was photographed after over two hours of play. The tips used on this test were Predator Victory Soft on a 314-3 shaft.

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buckshotshoey said:
I have to say his "broad guesses" and "old wives tails" were mostly correct.

Maybe not in your world, but many consumers will try it because someone else (in this case Jason) was successful with it. A lot of consumers will buy it just for that reason.

When you first tried Toam, what lead you to try it? A friend had some? You were curious? Someone talked it up, so you said ...what the hell, I'll try it?
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You're absolutely correct, it's good for chalk/equipment sales when someone who is good does good things with them. We would probably not have the CF craze if not for them playing it off like SVB had a secret weapon. It's good for the athlete, good for the company, and sometimes good for the consumer as it can drive innovation, but often as not a fool and his money are soon parted.

I think I originally tried the Pyro because I heard it stuck to the tip well and was a lot cleaner. It also had good reviews after discounting the "no more muh miscuez" crowd. I also thought the round shape was kind of novel. Basically I had some extra money in my pocket and figured I'd try it out. I had fell for the kamui mess. It seemed light years above traditional chalk, until you played with it enough to see it was destroying cue balls and "tattooing" them with blue under the surface. It was also horribly dirty, but as a casual player wanting to get better back then, I believed the hype. $25 for a cube must be good stuff!

Unfortunately Kamui's pricing strategy will always be with us on premium chalks. If Taom could sell V10 for $10 a cube (fair since it lasts so long), people would automatically buy Kamui or other chalks they perceived as "more premium" due to price alone. If you make a world class product, you pretty much have to make it expensive if you want to take market share from other premium chalks. If you make it cheap you're relying on word of mouth, educating consumers on the fact that $ doesn't equal quality. For some reason companies don't do this. The premium price model is wonderful psychology from a marketing/company standpoint. The folks that see through it are in the minority and/or not their intended demographic anyway.

If I sell a $2K fishing pole, I'm looking for the guy who fishes 10 weekends a year and owns a boat with a good credit score, not the old timer sitting on the river bank at 6 AM every day but sunday.

It's fair to assume that premium chalk companies sell more chalk to the guys thinking it prevents miscues and adds an extra ball to their game, rather than someone wanting cleaner chalk/cue balls.
 
boogieman said:
Pyro is great and V10 is better. V10 seems to be a bit cleaner. With pyro, you would occasionally (barely ever) get tiny flakes of chalk on the cloth. It's almost as if at times (like a wildly struck miscue) the chalk bunched up. Think of a small tear from hitting a piece of saran wrap on a solid surface with a hammer. It's excellent chalk and played very well but the tip looked odd if you wildly struck it enough to glaze a tip. The tip didn't glaze, but the chalk peeled up. Think of silly putty, it breaks if you pull it too fast.

V10 is basically nothing like that. It plays great and there's no "tearing" or whatever you would call it. Just super consistent coating that is also very clean. No "chalk clouds" like you see on most chalk at break speed. To me, V10 feels more like what you would expect of a classic chalk, but much better grit consistency and it stays on the tip.

The green color isn't an issue on blue cloth because it really doesn't get on there like with other chalks. It's lightning in a bottle as far as I'm concerned regarding chalk. You can do the same thing with a 50 cent cube, but it's much cleaner and much more consistent. One less thing to think about. I won't ever talk badly about Master, it's fine chalk. I have had different batches or different humidity levels in the room make it coat a bit differently. It still worked fine, but again, it's messy.

The only chalk I'll talk bad about is a cube of Sportscraft I tried. That stuff is garbage. Silvercup is OK if you need it to match a cloth color, but it's worse than Master and the same price.
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Thanks for addressing my inquiry Boogie.

I would really like some reality based theory on this less mess claim. The way I understand this, is that merely that less chalk is loaded up on the tip duration application. Is the Taom product harder/drier than something like Masters..?

If equal amounts of chalk is placed on a tip, then unless the Taom chalk somehow adheres to the tip better, then equalivent chalk wiill be sent flying across the playing surface. Now maybe the Taom chalk is inherently drier so it doesn't possess the characteristic to stick to a CB...? However that doesn't translate to less mess overal. Just less mess on the CB. Also the lighter colour of the V10 would be more difficult to see on hands/cloth/ferrule, etc...

So unless we have less chalk to begin with, or we chalk less for whatever reason, then I struggle with how we make less mess in general. Does the Taom product atomize during contact...?

Maybe it's a harder chalk with smaller grain structure...?
 
The_JV said:
Thanks for addressing my inquiry Boogie.

I would really like some reality based theory on this less mess claim. The way I understand this, is that merely that less chalk is loaded up on the tip duration application. Is the Taom product harder/drier than something like Masters..?

If equal amounts of chalk is placed on a tip, then unless the Taom chalk somehow adheres to the tip better, then equalivent chalk wiill be sent flying across the playing surface. Now maybe the Taom chalk is inherently drier so it doesn't possess the characteristic to stick to a CB...? However that doesn't translate to less mess overal. Just less mess on the CB. Also the lighter colour of the V10 would be more difficult to see on hands/cloth/ferrule, etc...

So unless we have less chalk to begin with, or we chalk less for whatever reason, then I struggle with how we make less mess in general. Does the Taom product atomize during contact...?

Maybe it's a harder chalk with smaller grain structure...?
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It has much smaller grain/grit to it. It's not makeup/wet like kaumui but it feels slightly "more humid" than traditional chalks. It takes very little to get a good coating on the tip and seems to keep the tip from getting shiny as fast. I'm no chemist but whoever made the formula for it did a great job.
 
MurrayNevada said:
One picture is worth a thousand words they say. I compared Master with Taom v10 using Aramith Black Measles balls and Elephant Practice Balls. The Elephant practice balls are designed to hold chalk so you can see where your shaft tip meets the cue ball. The Taom cannot be used for this as even balls designed to hold chalk do not hold any Taom v10 (doesn't hold Taom Pyro either). Master is perfect for this purpose.

The two balls on the right of the picture show this. No chalk on the Elephant Ball and no chalk on the Aramith Black ball. It should be noted that the Aramith ball on the right was photographed after over two hours of play. The tips used on this test were Predator Victory Soft on a 314-3 shaft.

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Yup this is what I am looking for in regards to cleanliness. I ended up ordering the V10 based on your feedback on color not being an issue it's the same price as pyro on Amazon. Hope you are enjoying your diamond. Wise investment sir.
 
MurrayNevada said:
One picture is worth a thousand words they say. I compared Master with Taom v10 using Aramith Black Measles balls and Elephant Practice Balls. The Elephant practice balls are designed to hold chalk so you can see where your shaft tip meets the cue ball. The Taom cannot be used for this as even balls designed to hold chalk do not hold any Taom v10 (doesn't hold Taom Pyro either). Master is perfect for this purpose.

The two balls on the right of the picture show this. No chalk on the Elephant Ball and no chalk on the Aramith Black ball. It should be noted that the Aramith ball on the right was photographed after over two hours of play. The tips used on this test were Predator Victory Soft on a 314-3 shaft.

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Photo =‘s 1,000 words👍
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well the only way to know truth about Toam Super Chalk, is to test yourself.🤥
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Coco, eat a quarter of a brownie, then wait for 2 hours to see how you feel. If you eat the whole thing at once, it might be too much. You can't un-eat a brownie, but you can eat more later if you determine you want more. These brownies aren't like the old stuff. Very strong, tread carefully. o_O
 
I just came here to report that not only did I pay $27 for a piece of chalk and like it, but that I also went and spent another $25 on a fancy magnetic holder thingy. Flame on boys.
 
jtaylor996 said:
I just came here to report that not only did I pay $27 for a piece of chalk and like it, but that I also went and spent another $25 on a fancy magnetic holder thingy. Flame on boys.
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Its your money, don’t let Nuckelheads tell you how to spend it.

Unless, they are putting money in you mad money fund.

Are you saying they make a hi tech Toam Chalk holder, and you also bought one❓❓❓

I am sure this Toam Chalk is made in Finland, cured of all impurities by aging in Ice Cave, and the ladies who make it are all 10 point+, hot blonds, with blue eyes.😉
 
I always preferred Master since I was a teenager.

Then I read about high-end expensive chalks, thought they were ludicrous.

Then after watching and reading reviews I took the plunge and bought a Pyro. Now I won’t use anything else. The same piece should last me years.

Master is fine if I’m out playing someplace, but its flaky quality makes a mess of all my equipment.

I also have a cube of Kamui Roku 6. It’s somewhere between Master and Pyro on the messiness scale. And like all chalk should, it keeps me from miscueing.
 
Thought I would never visit/post to this thread again, but just read the new cue ball fhread where a Bob Jewett article was quoted in full.

The grit on your table degrades your pool balls. So, my guess would be the cleaner chalk would degrade balls less adding a cost efficiency.
 
Well gentleman the Taom Pyro and V10 showed up via Amazon this afternoon. I wasn't going to order the V10 (newest formulation) due to the green color since I have 860hr tournament blue cloth. Couple of people chimed in and said the V10 is so clean it doesn't show, so I put a second order in. I did a deep vacuum, ball polish, and cleaned my rails off before getting started. I went right into using the V10. Shot some racks and I don't see any transfer of chalk on the cue ball at all. I don't not see any green chalk so far on my cloth. V10 feels soft/creamy in texture that spreads very evenly and easily. I like the circular shape of the chalk a lot better than the typical cube shape. When my cue ball typically comes out of the polisher for a few racks my tip can slide a bit on power draw shots until the residual wax coating from the meg's wears down/off. The Taom seems more grabby and I didn't have this issue like I do with the masters. I have played with softer chalk before like great white and while it spreads really nice it's dirty stuff. This is a totally different experience so far. I will keep testing this, but preliminary results are very positive indeed for the V10. So far I am blown away with how clean this chalk is.

Brent
 
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