Questions regarding ivory and travel.

Gravey39

Gravey39

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I don’t own any cue with ivory or anything thing like that. Just curious. If you can’t bring a cue that has ivory into countries or places like that. Why not just say it’s not ivory? How can they verify it actually is ivory? Just say it’s a material that almost looks identical under a microscope. I don’t know how they check it or anything like that. So Id like to know and learn
 
Fatboy said:
These days best to leave the ivory at home.
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If your cue(s) gets questioned whether it contains ivory when traveling internationally
since domestic travel within the USA is completely legal, the only way to authenticate
ivory is by taking a sample of the material. And since a cue can have ivory in various
locations, such as the joint, ferrules, butt and any of the inlays, multiple samples are
required. In other words, they drill your cue to take a sample and damage to the cue is
not their responsibility either. That’s entirely on the owner so don’t travel with your cues.
 
Gravey39 said:
I don’t own any cue with ivory or anything thing like that. Just curious. If you can’t bring a cue that has ivory into countries or places like that. Why not just say it’s not ivory? How can they verify it actually is ivory? Just say it’s a material that almost looks identical under a microscope. I don’t know how they check it or anything like that. So Id like to know and learn
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They likely do a blacklight check. Real ivory glows.
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Bavafongoul said:
If your cue(s) gets questioned whether it contains ivory when traveling internationally
since domestic travel within the USA is completely legal, the only way to authenticate
ivory is by taking a sample of the material. And since a cue can have ivory in various
locations, such as the joint, ferrules, butt and any of the inlays, multiple samples are
required. In other words, they drill your cue to take a sample and damage to the cue is
not their responsibility either. That’s entirely on the owner so don’t travel with your cues.
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Damn that really sucks. I don’t own any ivory cues. Was just curious as to how they checked.
 
its still legal mostly to possess. if you go internationally you are subject to all kinds of laws. just like if you transport drugs.

likely a cue with an ivory ferrel wont draw problems but with more ornate ivory you are likely to lose it .

and even fake if it looks like it you will be detained and miss connecting flights.
 
What you say can & will be used against you

Let your lawyer tell your story.

Manufactured new cues with no ivory is the way forward.

Thank me later
Fatboy
 
Is it common knowledge that cues may contain ivory? At least most people I know who aren't pool players have no idea. Just curious why they would even choose to check your cue. Are they instructed that cues may contain ivory or is it just bad luck to run into the one guy who knows something about cues?
 
DDiabolico said:
Is it common knowledge that cues may contain ivory? At least most people I know who aren't pool players have no idea. Just curious why they would even choose to check your cue. Are they instructed that cues may contain ivory or is it just bad luck to run into the one guy who knows something about cues?
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They check artifacts, jewelry, curios, musical instruments, pool cues, pretty much anything and everything since
there is an international ban which is really enforced. And you are under the total control of the inspecting party
and if it were a foreign nation, well, the U.S. Embassy isn’t getting involved over a pool cue. Just consider it gone.
 
Bavafongoul said:
They check artifacts, jewelry, curios, musical instruments, pool cues, pretty much anything and everything since
there is an international ban which is really enforced. And you are under the total control of the inspecting party
and if it were a foreign nation, well, the U.S. Embassy isn’t getting involved over a pool cue. Just consider it gone.
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Thank you for clarification.

Since January 2022 the EU has banned any trade with ivory with the only exception being artifacts from before 1947 and musical instruments from before 1975.

What's nowhere to be found is a rule or statement regarding just travelling with stuff containing ivory. Or do they just assume that if you're travelling with anything containing ivory it could as well be a commercial travel with the intent of selling?

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As far as I understand, a European cuemaker can no longer include ivory in his cues if he intents on selling those cues. He is still allowed to own pre-acquired ivory, but can't sell it anymore.
 
DDiabolico said:
Is it common knowledge that cues may contain ivory? At least most people I know who aren't pool players have no idea. Just curious why they would even choose to check your cue. Are they instructed that cues may contain ivory or is it just bad luck to run into the one guy who knows something about cues?
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I’m curious as to this too. I’m just guessing that they’re told. Since there has been a cue makers who got caught smuggling ivory.
 
garczar said:
If you want the ivory look just use Elforyn or Arvorin.
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I don't care about Ivory at all. Like you say, Elforyn or Juma are good alternatives in terms of appearence. But there are still a lot of people who think that Ivory offers some superior playability or make a cue much more valuable. Which, in my humble oppinion, is just plain nonsense.
 
DDiabolico said:
I don't care about Ivory at all. Like you say, Elforyn or Juma are good alternatives in terms of appearence. But there are still a lot of people who think that Ivory offers some superior playability or make a cue much more valuable. Which, in my humble oppinion, is just plain nonsense.
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Ivory ferrules are really heavy and cause lots of squirt. Best thing about them is they are really easy to keep clean. That's it. Few makers use it anymore because of the legal headaches.
 
Gravey39 said:
I don’t use ivory. I use juma. On player, pheno on break. I was just curious as how they in force travel with it.
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Arvorin and Elforyn are used as ivory subst. for inlay work. Some do use Elf. for ferrules but not many. Juma is ok but it will yield a softer hit than ivory.
 
garczar said:
Ivory ferrules are really heavy and cause lots of squirt. Best thing about them is they are really easy to keep clean. That's it. Few makers use it anymore because of the legal headaches.
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I prefer how they play, but it’s all I’ve ever used
 
Ivory ferrules not only are impervious to chalk stain but have a soft hit and great acoustical sound too.
When it comes to joints, to each their own. George Bakabushka achieved fame using a 5/16x14 steel
joint & ivory has a distinctly different feel, at least flat ivory does, and as far as value improvement, who
really knows, or even cares, until you go to sell your cue. But if you analyze cue sales over the past 50
years, and I’ve been buying cues longer than that, ivory joint cues command higher prices, especially
since the mid 2000’s. The cue maker is more important than the cue joint but thereafter, it’s always a
simple matter of supply and demand when it comes to pool cue values. And there’s a lot fewer ivory
joint cues than piloted steel and there are several versions of ivory joints too. Cue makers are refraining
from building cues using ivory and that means less cues will get made in the future. I did not collect cues
as an investment but of this I am certain. I could sell my cues today for more than I paid and I got to enjoy
playing with them along the way. It’s really inconsequential because all my cues pass along to my children.
 
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