Stiff Like Carbon Shafts Or?

Island Drive

Island Drive

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Here's what I've been doing and acting upon to play good again.
I've been back at it, started competition 12 mths ago 3-21-2021..............interesting changes in play conditions since the 90's.
I'm actually saving money by my methods, I enjoy this change allot, surprisingly it works "Very well in many ways''.

The equipment in use today is very informative to me, it tells the pros what's needed to preform on a 9' table.
The 860HR and those type table coverings ask more from the players equipment to get matters done easily.

Very different than 30 yrs ago.

Saw Earl this past year go hill/hill with Shaw and the best using his new 19MM SHAFT.
Seeing Shaw with his extensions and the weight difference of his mallet, when I compare that to the 19 and 20 oz cues of the past SPEAKS LOUDLY as to the play condition changes and needs of the player.
I don't know, but the wt. of his cue looks to be 27 oz range. I'm guessing, but he's holdin' allot of wood.
But when yah see him get outta line and draw the ball 18 feet and get back in line, you get it!
You need a stiff shaft and cue weight.

Here's what I did, and wow, saved money and improved stiffness cue weight DRAMATICALLY.
I'm also able to reuse my old Good/Worn out maple shafts, and the ivory ferrules.

Cut 5'' off the shaft, the shaft now is waaaaaaaaaay stiffer.

The 5'' insert now adds more forward weight to the cue, with an additional pin and insert sleeve.

I'm NOW able to reuse all my older shafts, w/o buying new new shafts WOW!!!!

I'm even going to cut back my two l/d wooden shafts I had made/didn't like, too see how they perform.


Try it....you'll be Surprised at your cues performance, and you'll save allot of money.

bm
 

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Seems like a lot of work, but if it works for you then cool. I just find if I concentrate and practice more I get better.
 
Huh?
What's allot of work?
This post has Nothing to do with practice and work.
It's an explanation of WHY the pros are doing what they are doing to improve their performance via equipment changes modifications.
Did I not explain my self clearly? Sorry
It's another perspective life, pool, gimmicks, ways that Cory Duel thinks etc.
Life's not as simple as ''concentrate and get better''.
 
Island Drive said:
Huh?
What's allot of work?
This post has Nothing to do with practice and work.
It's an explanation of WHY the pros are doing what they are doing to improve their performance via equipment changes modifications.
Did I not explain my self clearly? Sorry
It's another perspective life, pool, gimmicks, ways that Cory Duel thinks etc.
Life's not as simple as ''concentrate and get better''.
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No, you didn't explain yourself very well. I have lots of questions:

1. Why are you cutting off 5 inches of you cue?
2. Why do you need a stiffer shaft?
3. Is Earl's cue really 19mm? That's doesn't sound accurate.
4. What makes you think Shaw's cue is 27 oz? Is that a complete guess?
5. Shaw is adding a lot of length to his cue. Yet, you are reducing your cue's length by 5 inches? How does this correlate?
6. How does cutting 5 inches off your cue allow you to re-use old shafts?

Strange post. I'm very confused.
 
Island Drive said:
Huh?
What's allot of work?
This post has Nothing to do with practice and work.
It's an explanation of WHY the pros are doing what they are doing to improve their performance via equipment changes modifications.
Did I not explain my self clearly? Sorry
It's another perspective life, pool, gimmicks, ways that Cory Duel thinks etc.
Life's not as simple as ''concentrate and get better''.
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I’m only a state school grad and basically the dumbest guy at my house so I probably misunderstood. You’re cutting off 5” of a shaft and putting a filler piece in? Is that right? I wouldn’t even know how to do that, and I don’t understand why or what good it does. I can’t imagine my cue hitting better than it does now by the guy who made it.

But I sure enjoy watching Corey and all the pizazz he brings to pool and if that’s what you’re trying to accomplish more power to you.
 
Z-Nole said:
I’m only a state school grad and basically the dumbest guy at my house so I probably misunderstood. You’re cutting off 5” of a shaft and putting a filler piece in? Is that right? I wouldn’t even know how to do that, and I don’t understand why or what good it does. I can’t imagine my cue hitting better than it does now by the guy who made it.

But I sure enjoy watching Corey and all the pizazz he brings to pool and if that’s what you’re trying to accomplish more power to you.
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I'm so glad someone has to post how much education they have.
Your have No Idea how impressed I am with your booking.
I can see at my college level I have No way of explaining something to someone whos allot smarter than I and perceives my explanation in such a way as to not understand what I posted.

All I can say is Ditto to your post.

bye

Thanks for a good laugh at how important it is for another to tell you how educated they are.

I'm not, I proved it, wisdom is much more educated. Huh-lol

bye
 
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Island Drive said:
I'm so glad someone has to post how much education they have.
Your have No Idea how impressed I am with your booking.
I can see at my college level I have No way of explaining something to someone whos allot smarter than I and perceives my explanation in such a way as to not understand what I posted.

All I can say is Ditto to your post.

bye

Thanks for a good laugh at how important it is for another to tell you how educated they are.

I'm not, I proved it, wisdom is much more educated. Huh-lol

bye
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Wowza. I was pointing out how little education I have, but ok! You do you buddy...it seems to be working thus far. I still don't have the slightest clue what the hell you're talking about cutting down a perfectly good shaft but after this reply I completely understand you.

Happy St. Patrick's Day!
 
Island Drive said:
Here's what I've been doing and acting upon to play good again.
I've been back at it, started competition 12 mths ago 3-21-2021..............interesting changes in play conditions since the 90's.
I'm actually saving money by my methods, I enjoy this change allot, surprisingly it works "Very well in many ways''.

The equipment in use today is very informative to me, it tells the pros what's needed to preform on a 9' table.
The 860HR and those type table coverings ask more from the players equipment to get matters done easily.

Very different than 30 yrs ago.

Saw Earl this past year go hill/hill with Shaw and the best using his new 19MM SHAFT.
Seeing Shaw with his extensions and the weight difference of his mallet, when I compare that to the 19 and 20 oz cues of the past SPEAKS LOUDLY as to the play condition changes and needs of the player.
I don't know, but the wt. of his cue looks to be 27 oz range. I'm guessing, but he's holdin' allot of wood.
But when yah see him get outta line and draw the ball 18 feet and get back in line, you get it!
You need a stiff shaft and cue weight.

Here's what I did, and wow, saved money and improved stiffness cue weight DRAMATICALLY.
I'm also able to reuse my old Good/Worn out maple shafts, and the ivory ferrules.

Cut 5'' off the shaft, the shaft now is waaaaaaaaaay stiffer.

The 5'' insert now adds more forward weight to the cue, with an additional pin and insert sleeve.

I'm NOW able to reuse all my older shafts, w/o buying new new shafts WOW!!!!

I'm even going to cut back my two l/d wooden shafts I had made/didn't like, too see how they perform.


Try it....you'll be Surprised at your cues performance, and you'll save allot of money.

bm
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So I agree with trying stuff. I think you are saying short shaft = stiff hit + extension = extra weight.

Theory: Heavy cues move the cue ball around easier.

I agree.

I trained one day with Earl, he mentioned changing equipment because his body changed. He claimed that his stroke produced a different reaction as time went on. So he changed equipment to keep up with his physical changes (it made sense to me).

I definitely don't think changing equipment is a placebo for some.
 
Kinda
Welder84 said:
So I agree with trying stuff. I think you are saying short shaft = stiff hit + extension = extra weight.
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Almost.
Yrs ago when I traveled and played for decades on 9' in all the pro events I could, I had Kikel 1989 make me a 5'' extension that I would attach to my other shaft in my case JIC I needed to reach a long shot.
Before play started, I would attached the 5'' extension to my other 29'' shaft JIC I needed it during play.

Because I'm 6'6''....almost NEVER had to use a rake with this 5'' extender.
On a bar table NEVER ever used a rake.
So what did I do?

I took another worn out shaft that still had great grain and matching joint, cut it back 5'' installed ferrule/tip, now the shaft wood is stiffer, thicker, and forward heavier because of the extra pin/joint sleeve weight in the extension piece.....with the cue still 58''.
 
You can do the same thing with just having a more conical (european) type taper with a shorter straight part, many shaft makers do that. I guess with cutting off 5" off the shaft you are making a 3-4" taper on it depending on how the taper was to begin with. I'd like to know how it affect aiming with spin due to deflection. The LD shafts are modified at the very front for that, so if you cut out the first few inches, even on a normal shaft, I'm guessing the deflection will change, in some cases in a major way.
 
Assume "worn out" meant too thin at the business end. Was it a pro taper to start out with? I'm used to conical and pro feels like a noodle to me.
Props for trying something different and rescuing some good wood. (y)
 
gcmortal said:
Assume "worn out" meant too thin at the business end. Was it a pro taper to start out with? I'm used to conical and pro feels like a noodle to me.
Props for trying something different and rescuing some good wood. (y)
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Yes, it was a pro taper and ironically the Entire pro taper (11''?) also wore down some, meaning even with the cut back, the shaft was still smaller than 13mm when new, I did play ALLOT.
NOW....Kinda feels like a 12.5

Both shafts were 13mm in 89 when new, played 7 yrs averaging about 30 hrs a week....
The skin on my fingers wore the shafts down never used anything but a damp rag to clean.
Never used anything abrasive on the wood but might buff it with cotton.
Both shafts were about 12.5 and whippy when I stopped playing allot.

It will be nice putting em back into play with the ivory ferrules.
Be interesting how it effects the hit, and the sound of the hit.
I know it can be done, because Stroud Cut back my three Zamboti shafts 2'' yrs ago, to make the cue 58, reused all the ferrules.
 
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