Carbon Fiber Shafts should be Banned

Incorrect. There are plenty of people that can not jump with those jump cues with synthetic tips. However, once they are taught proper fundamentals, they are then able to use the technology of the cue to jump with. I have only seen and taught that a couple hundred times.
Change the tip and see if those same skills still work. Cut off the synthetic tip, and replace with an Elkmaster. Skills are skills, after all, and are independent of equipment.

I can change my cue tip from a Longasy to a Le Pro, and I can still play follow and draw.
 
Incorrect. There are plenty of people that can not jump with those jump cues with synthetic tips. However, once they are taught proper fundamentals, they are then able to use the technology of the cue to jump with. I have only seen and taught that a couple hundred times.
Several millions of people were taught the earth is flat. Does that make it correct?
 
He’s still not guaranteed to make the ball with a jump cue.
No, but he can likely hit the OB and get out of the inning without giving ball in hand. Jump cues dumb down the game. It would be like letting race car drivers cut across the infield if they get behind. No shortcuts.
 
No, but he can likely hit the OB and get out of the inning without giving ball in hand. Jump cues dumb down the game. It would be like letting race car drivers cut across the infield if they get behind. No shortcuts.

so your not supposed to be able to get out of a trap unless its with a kick or your not skilled? got it

9ball has dumbed down the game more than jump cues
 
so your not supposed to be able to get out of a trap unless its with a kick or your not skilled? got it

9ball has dumbed down the game more than jump cues
You're supposed to be able to get out of a trap with your playing cue, not by resorting to the stupid stick.

9b blows and has blown for 30 years. Generally I don't watch 9b competitions.
 
The one thing I don’t like about jump cues is that we don’t really get treated to a kicking battle anymore. There was a US Open match in the 90s between Sigel and Archer, and it was one of the greatest tactical matches, as the last two racks featured some of the best kicking I’ve ever seen. A modern jump cue would have ended the exchange on the first shot. That’s my only “beef” with the jump cue, and it’s a very small beef - less than the size of an ikea meatball.
Unfortunately at the lesser levels. Most of the kicking battles you'll witness are players swinging with hope. There is an art to hitting the right side of the OB at the right pace to increase your odds of returning something difficult. Based on what I've witnessed over the years. A moves game is typically one of the last proficiencies a player develops. The great majority never even get there.

At a recent enough event for my memory to retain. I had such a kicking battle within a frame against Mike P. (you may know him as well). We both returned safeties multiple times after controlled kicks within a set that did allow jump sticks. The jump stick didn't come into play, because we purposely put each other in situations where it simply wouldn't bail each other out. It was great exchange which unfortunately for me ended in the typical kick battle style. He swung hard at a two railer because there wasn't a good percentage he could control the outcome. The result was a fluked ball and I lost the rack. Could have very easily been a slash at jump if I allowed the opprotunity. In the end we can only do what we can.

I understand the romance some have for the kick and more so the kicking battle. The above example sticks out for me not because of the fluke, but because of the tactical exchange and execution, (which I still feel I won :)). However I do also enjoy watching players sweat over a safe I've left them with jump cue in hand. Coming to the realization that they are playing someone that can force them to keep that $500 crutch in their case.
 
I'm not sure you actually believe a word you say yourself. You just start these threads as sort of clickbait and get a kick out of seeing people respond to what you've started.
Nah - this post was just a gut reaction to something I found to be unpleasant, and that I believe could be improved, at least in certain contexts. Perhaps someone could hold some "old school" tournaments that don't allow new-fangled equipment, for instance.

I think aesthetics in sports is important, even if most people don't consciously notice it. I notice things like the change of nets in the NBA - the old nets used to make a more satisfying *swish* sound back in the early '90s, and I wish they'd bring back those old nets.

I get that beauty is in the eye (and ear) of the beholder - I'm sure people exist who prefer the tink of an aluminum bat to the crack of a wood bat, but I prefer the sound of wood, so I advocate for wooden bats.

I'm new to the world of pool, and I love many things about it, but all of the high-performance equipment is a big turn off for me. From my newbie perspective, it looks to me like pool has succumbed to profit-driven gimmicks that make the game inaccessible to many newcomers, and less attractive in general.

Do you think that the look and sound of carbon fiber and phenolic break tips have improved the aesthetics of pocket billiards? I think that's a valid question, and if the answer makes you uncomfortable, that's not because I'm trolling - it's because I asked a good question.
 
I'm surprised someone who feels new technology should be banned is ok using a jump cue with a phenolic tip? Do you really think the noise from the phenolic tip sounds good?
I don't like the tip - I found a good deal on a jump cue that unfortunately came with a phenolic tip, and I was sick of researching jump cues.

It's hard to find jump cues that come with a leather tip - I plan to have my tip replaced soon.

I don't think that all new technology should be banned - I like those new pool tables that read the cue ball with a laser scanner for ball separation purposes.
 
I'm new to the world of pool, and I love many things about it, but all of the high-performance equipment is a big turn off for me. From my newbie perspective, it looks to me like pool has succumbed to profit-driven gimmicks that make the game inaccessible to many newcomers, and less attractive in general.
If new players feel the need to have to own the latest and greatest tech just to get involved at the bottom level, then ya you may just have a point. That said, all the best players I know use wooden shafts. These aren't 'pros' but are >680 fargo players. I generally find the top dogs in most rooms I wander into are using wood as well. Using CF doesn't mean you're a lesser player. Just that from what I've seen the strong don't feel the need to be driven by some supposed advantage.
Do you think that the look and sound of carbon fiber and phenolic break tips have improved the aesthetics of pocket billiards? I think that's a valid question, and if the answer makes you uncomfortable, that's not because I'm trolling - it's because I asked a good question.
I use a CF breaker now. It has helped me significantly on the break shot. It allows me to back off on my effort to generate power and concentrate on placement. I look at a rack of pool like a hole in golf. Off the tee your hitting a driver that has that distinctive 'tink' and then you switch up to your irons. Breaker for show, player for the dough as they say.... ;)

I'm indifferent to CF playing cues. If people wish to burn their money in that fashion, that's their business. Does it hurt the game...?..., I don't think so. I have yet to see someone do something with their CF player that I can't with my wooden shaft. ...except whack it against the table in a fit of rage without making a dent...lol
 
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Just that from what I've seen the strong don't feel the need to be driven by some supposed advantage.
The only advantages are smooooooth feel and a straight shaft. Nobody needs to rush out and buy a CF shaft if they are happy with their maple.
And I happen to like the look of a graphite shaft.
 
Many of you speak in terms of performance.

A lot of you ask, "Does it work better?" whereas my question is "Does it feel/sound/look better?"

If MLB allowed aluminum bats, then almost every hitter would use an aluminum bat, which makes sense, because aluminum bats perform better than wooden bats.

Would aluminum bats improve the aesthetics of baseball? Would they make a baseball game sound better, or sound worse?

As someone who is just learning about the modern era of American billiards, my personal opinion is that all of the new-technology cues make the game worse in virtually every way.

Making the game easier for players by using new technology is a negative, imho - I'd say that breaking Willie Mosconi's straight pool record doesn't mean much, if it's done using a different type of cue than Willie could have used.

Why doesn't the NFL deflate footballs to make them easier to catch? Why doesn't the NBA make the hoop bigger so that it's easier to make shots?

If the argument in favor of carbon fiber is that it makes the game easier to play, then shouldn't we also encourage pool table manufacturers to make the pockets bigger?

How does carbon fiber improve the beauty or quality of pool, other than by making pool easier?
 
How does carbon fiber improve the beauty or quality of pool, other than by making pool easier?
It doesn't make pool easier some would say it makes pool harder, it isn't very forgiving and if you aren't used to low deflection and great English a CF shaft can temporarily put you off your game.
For me it is feel and aesthetics. I like the look of a CF shaft with the right butt and the feel of a slick CF shaft. Now tell me why they should be banned. Because you don't like the way they look and the original Revo "ping"?
 
Y'all should just buy a 1920s Brunswick and install sheep cloth, use broom sticks and never visit a pool room or watch any pro pool ever again, then y'all would be happy
 
Change the tip and see if those same skills still work. Cut off the synthetic tip, and replace with an Elkmaster. Skills are skills, after all, and are independent of equipment.

I can change my cue tip from a Longasy to a Le Pro, and I can still play follow and draw.
This comment right here shows that you don't pay attention and twisted what I said. (you should be in politics). Never will you see me say that skills are independent of equipment.

Here is a reminder of the quote you twisted.

" However, once they are taught proper fundamentals, they are then able to use the technology of the cue to jump with. "

Pretty cut and dry. If you can't understand that well I don't know what to tell you.

You on the other hand have stated that it is all about equipment independent of skills. So using your logic, a golfer with a walmart driver that averages 220 yards and hits the fairwary 1 out of 60 times can take the same drive that Tiger Woods uses and can now drive 320 yards and hit the fairway 60 out of 60 times.

That isn't realistic, and neither is your argument.
 
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