CSI dumps Diamond for Predator tables

Shane had to go to China to get a table sponsor?? Who is the Russian Fedor Gorst sponsored by? All things in our industry are a bit off. Not hating, just making a clear observation and wondering how it got that way??

TFT
Greg/Diamond isn’t big on sponsoring players. That’s a known fact from the horses mouth 15 years ago.
 
The irony is he’s banned from many events because he’s Russian. Which totally sucks.
Which we make a non-issue through contractual language.

. ..player must participate in (x amount of) sanctioned events a year...


Screw em before they screw you, sadly.
 
Shane had to go to China to get a table sponsor?? Who is the Russian Fedor Gorst sponsored by? All things in our industry are a bit off. Not hating, just making a clear observation and wondering how it got that way??

TFT
They came at him(SVB) with big sponsorship $$. He wasn't trolling for a table deal. Can't blame the guy for taking the deal. Seriously doubt any other table maker was going to offer the same deal.
 
I reckon what table events are being played on has more weight than which players are sponsored by each manufacturer. I.E “I’m going to buy a diamond because that’s what the pros play on.” As opposed to “I’m going to buy a diamond because fedor gorst is sponsored by them even though most events are played on rassons.”
 
They came at him(SVB) with big sponsorship $$.
Pretty clear that was the situation. They have Pro's representing them from lots of different countries.
He wasn't trolling for a table deal.
I never said that. I understand Rasson likely put the deal in front of him.
Can't blame the guy for taking the deal. Seriously doubt any other table maker was going to offer the same deal.

Was a good move on their part and I would NEVER blame that guy for getting paid, he deserves it.

I also agree that no other table manufacturer is going to pay like they likely did. Hence part of the problem with our industry.

TFT
 
Only if the stuff's any good. I've heard reports on these that range from fine to horrible. The one's that Pred set up at one of the Pred/CSI events were an absolute joke. Those clowns were using carpenter levels to set them up. Total clusterf&*k. They had to get E. Dominguez to come in and level them. Getting these steel-frame tables plumb/square can be a nightmare. That's why a lot of tech's would never work on K-steels. Setting up a Diamond is child's-play compared to these things.
The new models are supposed to be "self leveling" or as I was told easy to adjust without a tech, based on similar technology yo the Rasson tables?
 
Tables play fine IF set up right. A friend played the Arizona event and said they rolled/played/banked just fine. Problem is they are a colossal PIA to set-up correctly. The SAM's have always been that way. RKC wouldn't touch one for a bunch of reasons.
They were 3-piece slate for the first AZ event, and they're 1-piece now.
 
Shane had to go to China to get a table sponsor?? Who is the Russian Fedor Gorst sponsored by? All things in our industry are a bit off. Not hating, just making a clear observation and wondering how it got that way??

TFT

China has all the money. They are spending more in all sorts of countries. Most of Africa continent is being supplied by Chinese loans and construction, which of course causes the Africans to love dictators and communism not seeing it's the same thing that the colonizers from Europe were doing 200-300 years ago. Of course it started with money the US and other developed nations companies and consumers are pumping into China through moving labor and manufacturing there, so yea China is sponsoring a lot of things, or rather trying to own them.
 
Mark isn’t part of Diamond anymore.(well known fact)

Mark is a smart biz man

Predator has a strong marketing dept:

I believe a decision was made when CSI needed new tables.

It’s just biz for all concerned.

That’s what happened.

I don’t think anyone got hurt or it damaged pool in anyway at all. Just a transaction.

Best
Fatboy
Mark sold CSI
 
China has all the money. They are spending more in all sorts of countries. Most of Africa continent is being supplied by Chinese loans and construction, which of course causes the Africans to love dictators and communism not seeing it's the same thing that the colonizers from Europe were doing 200-300 years ago. Of course it started with money the US and other developed nations companies and consumers are pumping into China through moving labor and manufacturing there, so yea China is sponsoring a lot of things, or rather trying to own them.
Great explanation of Global Dominance, I was speaking of OUR country and how our industry got so messed up?? China is going to do what they want, I get it. I am in the industry and still can't figure out how its made it this far on the terrible business model in place now. I EMBRACE AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE PREDATOR INVESTMENT INTO OUR INDUSTRY!

TFT
 
Great explanation of Global Dominance, I was speaking of OUR country and how our industry got so messed up?? China is going to do what they want, I get it. I am in the industry and still can't figure out how its made it this far on the terrible business model in place now. I EMBRACE AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE PREDATOR INVESTMENT INTO OUR INDUSTRY!

TFT

If the money in Billiards ever gets good, who knows, maybe Brunswick will start jumping back into it again! 🙏🎱
 
The Rasson OX is such a complicated table! Internal levelers for slate and the base has the 4 levelers, Definitely not "self leveling"

TFT
No not self leveling, but equipped with multiple adjutment points that dont require a table mechanic.., this is what I was told when the table was shown to me, I guess we'll see when they hit the market. I really dont think their going to do well. I spoken to three Pool hall owners that have switched to Diamonds and have no intention on making another chnge, especially for cosmetic purposes and that all this would be.
 
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