What is the Best Cue Ball? We have the Red Measles, but let's hear your opinions.

Bobkitty said:
We have the measles balls, but I've ordered a Centennial cue ball and the Predator Arcos cue ball. I will try to determine the best cue ball. I already know the cue ball (no markings on it) from the Dynasphere Bronze set is better than the measles, more spin, draw is about 50% better, but I love the markings on the other cue balls to play with.
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There is no way you are getting 50% more draw with any of the good quality cueballs without a lot of stroke variance taken into account. Only time you get that much extra draw is with a cueball that is too light for the set or out of spec. I play with both the Aramith and the Dynasphere cueballs weekly, the pool hall I go to has both sets and I grab them at random, there is just about 0 difference in how they react. In fact from the players that used both sets they feel the Dynaspheres play heavier (I don't but they do).
 
ChrisinNC said:
I just received an email back from Aramith regarding my question about the red Measle cue ball. Their response that was for some years now they have been using the Duramith technology for this ball, which is why the retention of chalk marks is much improved over the earlier versions of this ball.

This would appear to be in contradiction to your above post. I’m guessing that all pro cup cue Measle balls now use the Duramith Technology, regardless of whether they come in the single blister pack or with a set. The more recent ones I’ve ordered - both in the single blister pack and in a bulk box of 16 cue balls, have all been much improved - whiter and stay cleaner as opposed to the older ones.
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Yes, that is odd and somewhat in direct contradiction to what I have discussed in some detail directly with Aramith,

Both the Tournament and Aramith Pro sets use the same resin (Aramith Pro) and the Duramith is a special process that is applied to the Aramith Pro resin during production, just for the Tournament sets.

The ball in the Tournament TV set is red spotted and is Duramith, but the Pro Cup spotted cue ball you buy separately is not. Do you think they were maybe referring to that one when then replied to you?

Here is a direct quote from Aramith:

"the Centennial (Brunswick), the Super Aramith Pro (red logo), and the Pro-Cup (6 red dots) cue balls have all the same specifications and are produced with the same Aramith Pro resin. However the Pro-Cup cue ball in the Tournament TV set is produced with the Duramith technology, which enhances the molecular cross-linking (reticulation)"

"The 6 red dots cue ball in the Super Aramith Pro-Cup TV set is not produced using the Duramith technology. This is why only the 6 black dots is Duramith for sure, while the 6 red dots may be Duramith (in the Tournament TV set) or not (in the Super Aramith Pro TV set)."

So why they would tell you that Pro Cup spotted cue ball is Duramith makes no sense, unless there was some confusion, or they were talking about the Tournament TV spotted cue ball rather than the Pro Cup one?

Regardless, sorry to be a stickler, but this is one of the factors I have discussed in quite some detail with Aramith and so pretty confident on this :)
 
hang-the-9 said:
There is no way you are getting 50% more draw with any of the good quality cueballs without a lot of stroke variance taken into account. Only time you get that much extra draw is with a cueball that is too light for the set or out of spec. I play with both the Aramith and the Dynasphere cueballs weekly, the pool hall I go to has both sets and I grab them at random, there is just about 0 difference in how they react. In fact from the players that used both sets they feel the Dynaspheres play heavier (I don't but they do).
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Yep. Unless he is comparing it to a steel core bar box ball. Then I would say he is getting 50% more draw.
 
Average Joes said:
Yes, that is odd and somewhat in direct contradiction to what I have discussed in some detail directly with Aramith,

Both the Tournament and Aramith Pro sets use the same resin (Aramith Pro) and the Duramith is a special process that is applied to the Aramith Pro resin during production, just for the Tournament sets.

The ball in the Tournament TV set is red spotted and is Duramith, but the Pro Cup spotted cue ball you buy separately is not. Do you think they were maybe referring to that one when then replied to you?

Here is a direct quote from Aramith:

"the Centennial (Brunswick), the Super Aramith Pro (red logo), and the Pro-Cup (6 red dots) cue balls have all the same specifications and are produced with the same Aramith Pro resin. However the Pro-Cup cue ball in the Tournament TV set is produced with the Duramith technology, which enhances the molecular cross-linking (reticulation)"

"The 6 red dots cue ball in the Super Aramith Pro-Cup TV set is not produced using the Duramith technology. This is why only the 6 black dots is Duramith for sure, while the 6 red dots may be Duramith (in the Tournament TV set) or not (in the Super Aramith Pro TV set)."

So why they would tell you that Pro Cup spotted cue ball is Duramith makes no sense, unless there was some confusion, or they were talking about the Tournament TV spotted cue ball rather than the Pro Cup one?

Regardless, sorry to be a stickler, but this is one of the factors I have discussed in quite some detail with Aramith and so pretty confident on this :)
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How long ago was it when you talked to them? Maybe they recently decreased production costs by using one process for both balls?

Here is another possibility that has come up many times.... The Measles ball you were using that took more chalk marks was Chinese counterfeit? That would explain why you noticed a difference when you played with an authentic one.
 
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Great thread. Good info I have an older red measles ball It plays much differently on my Valley Barbox with the Ridgeback Rail system and fast cloth than the Green Aramith Label coin op ball. I was convinced there was a wt difference, but not according to chart above. I tend to agree with Fatboy, it is more about the density/ makeup of material
 
Average Joes said:
Yes, that is odd and somewhat in direct contradiction to what I have discussed in some detail directly with Aramith,

Both the Tournament and Aramith Pro sets use the same resin (Aramith Pro) and the Duramith is a special process that is applied to the Aramith Pro resin during production, just for the Tournament sets.

The ball in the Tournament TV set is red spotted and is Duramith, but the Pro Cup spotted cue ball you buy separately is not. Do you think they were maybe referring to that one when then replied to you?

Here is a direct quote from Aramith:

"the Centennial (Brunswick), the Super Aramith Pro (red logo), and the Pro-Cup (6 red dots) cue balls have all the same specifications and are produced with the same Aramith Pro resin. However the Pro-Cup cue ball in the Tournament TV set is produced with the Duramith technology, which enhances the molecular cross-linking (reticulation)"

"The 6 red dots cue ball in the Super Aramith Pro-Cup TV set is not produced using the Duramith technology. This is why only the 6 black dots is Duramith for sure, while the 6 red dots may be Duramith (in the Tournament TV set) or not (in the Super Aramith Pro TV set)."

So why they would tell you that Pro Cup spotted cue ball is Duramith makes no sense, unless there was some confusion, or they were talking about the Tournament TV spotted cue ball rather than the Pro Cup one?

Regardless, sorry to be a stickler, but this is one of the factors I have discussed in quite some detail with Aramith and so pretty confident on this :)
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FYI, I don’t know if you have the name of the rep you corresponded with regarding this, but there was no name given as to the Aramith representative that responded to my email, but the response appeared very official and clearly came from Belgium.

And to answer another question posed in a recent post, there is zero chance the older version of Measle balls I have are counterfeit, as all of them have been ordered direct from Simonis, who is an Aramith dealer / partner.
 
ChrisinNC said:
FYI, I don’t know if you have the name of the rep you corresponded with regarding this, but there was no name given as to the Aramith representative that responded to my email, but the response appeared very official and clearly came from Belgium.
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Again, a bit odd? Did your response come from a aramith/saluc email address? My communication is not with a rep, but a member of senior management who I communicate with regularly.

Look, I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong here or start any arguments, just wanted to throw out some info on the spotted cue ball situation which I thought may be helpful for some. If people want to believe that the Pro Cup spotted ball is Duramith, I can't control that (it's not BTW) :)
 
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