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Fatboy said:
No, the opponent isn’t involved either. Unless he wants to make himself involved. But in the purest sense he’s not involved. When it’s his inning then he’s involved.

Sure it’s possible to speak up and in some cases a player might mention to his opponent that he’s shooting the wrong ball. But that’s very very unlikely in a big tourney, when you’re losing or playing a bad match. All of which were happening here.

But that’s optional and certainly not the best move when you’re there to win.

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Fatboy
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Don't forget the backlash you would have from your sponsors if you helped out your opponent during a tournament.
 
Not a lot to say. It happened and it shouldn't have. My sympathies go out to all involved. There are no winners in this discussion. Both players are subject to multiple interpretations on "what should have happened." To me the bottom line is the ball color change many years ago to make the colors more identifiable on tube type color television sets. Now that digital TV sets have much better color resolution it would be great if the world would go back to the original colors. I doubt that is going to happen since having more color options makes for more sales for the manufacturers. I never did like the color change and still don't. Places I play and my home set are all the traditional colors. Since there is no chance my game is going to get me on TV or in a big tournament, I'll stay with what I have. For anyone who cares here's my take on colors: Ferraris are red, Harleys are black, pool tables are green, the four ball is purple, and the five ball is orange. Cheers y'all.
 
garczar said:
its called 'professional' pool. of course those factors were in his head. this is not funsy pool. Tate DOGGED it. pure and simple.
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Yup he did 100%. I hope he can shake it off and continue to grow and develop as a player. I’m certainly not gonna give him a pass-he dogged it, I’ve dogged it. Turn the page and grow and learn. In time he will become a solid player I hope. We need strong players.
 
This is the most known example of the color change being an issue. Remember during a primetime NFL game there was a rules issue a couple years ago? Because it happened when a lot of eyes were on it, the rule was changed a week later or shortly after. If there was anything that would be a driving force to get the traditional colors back, this could be it. The only issue with that however, is that this seems to be the only example of this in a high level event. Would there be a change over one high level example? Time will tell. With the idea of trying to standardize the game, I think ball color would make sense. You can still keep the Aramith Black set, just change the colors.
 
Fatboy said:
In pool there’s a unwritten rule

The rail never ever speaks.

If your sitting on the rail and see something and a player comes up and asks for a opinion or ruling there’s only one correct answer

“Sorry I did t see that”

The rail isn’t part of the game and therefore can’t speak. No exceptions, the rail isn’t a referee, coach or involved in the session. Ever.

Anyone sitting on the rail who does get involved in a game, match or action and does says a word or influences or attempts to influence the session needs to stfu or leave on the spot in the event they do stick their nose where it doesn’t belong.

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Fatboy <——-professional rail bird
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Just to confirm, does that also hold true that even the TD needs to stay completely out of it if the TD happens to witness the shot in question, in a situation where the TD is not asked to judge the shot in advance of the shot but still clearly sees what happened?
 
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Swighey said:
He was getting up out of his chair as the shot was being played. That's a sound in my book.
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If true, yes to me that’s a little too soon to be jumping out of his chair and a bit disrespectful. However, if his standing up was out of possible eye sight of his opponent as he’s shooting the shot, not as big a deal.
 
penguin said:
Someone correct me if otherwise, but in Turning Stone, if a player calls a foul without a Ref present the call goes to the shooter
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Idk the rules there. I’ve never been to that tourney.

From what happened I think we can conclude what the rules there are

The rules speak for themself
 
ChrisinNC said:
Just to confirm, does that also hold true if the TD happens to witness the shot in question, in a situation where the TD is not asked to judge the shot in advance of the shot?
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Idk honestly.

I’m more of a gambler not a tourney rules expert. Bob Jewitt would know the answer to this I’m certain. He’s an expert at technical rules.

I know the code of conduct in a gambling or pool room environment not tourney or league play. So I can’t give you an accurate answer-and I don’t make things up or guess.

Hopefully Bob will chime in with the correct answer for you. It’s a good question

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Fatboy 😃
 
ChrisinNC said:
If true, yes to me that’s a little too soon to be jumping out of his chair and a bit disrespectful. However, if his standing up was out of possible eye sight of his opponent as he’s shooting the shot, not as big a deal.
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I watched the video last night and I saw his feet move. I didn’t see him get up. I doubt he would-that like tipping a hole card.
 
penguin said:
Shane is always a great sport

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You have always seemed to have an issue with SVB. Totally your business, but mind sharing what it is that causes you to dislike him so much? Again, no big deal, some folks just rub you the wrong way. Just curious.
 
ChrisinNC said:
If true, yes to me that’s a little too soon to be jumping out of his chair and a bit disrespectful. However, if his standing up was out of possible eye sight of his opponent as he’s shooting the shot, not as big a deal.
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It wasn't in his line of sight and I doubt he made a sound. It just looked tacky. I think if Shane could have the moment back, he would have made sure he looked a little less eager to get to the table. Mainly because I certainly don't believe he is a bad guy or fundamentally a poor sport.
 
All SVB did was pull his feet in and under himself and sit-up straight in his chair.

At no time does the video show SVB was "jumping out of his chair", nor, was he "getting up out of his chair as the shot was being played."

Lots of SVB-Hating revisionist history there.

Here's the video from Rack #15 Rack #15, #3 Ball to #5 Ball error at roughly 1:15:00 on the timeline. - GJ
 
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FastManners said:
It wasn't in his line of sight and I doubt he made a sound. It just looked tacky. I think if Shane could have the moment back, he would have made sure he looked a little less eager to get to the table. Mainly because I certainly don't believe he is a bad guy or fundamentally a poor sport.
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In our weekly Monday 9-ball tournaments as well as our occasional bigger Sunday 9-ball tournaments, we have players that would and do warn their opponent before they shoot at the wrong ball and players that wait until they shoot and then inform them.

If I shoot the wrong ball which I’ve done many times, I can live / accept either, but what I can’t stand is the player that informs you as soon as you shoot and at the same time they then tell you they would have stopped you if they had realized you were about to do it - outright lying to your face as they want to try to come across as honorable. Just call the foul, take the ball in hand, and keep your mouth shut.
 
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