Fargo rated question

hang-the-9 said:
That is pretty close to correct, although I personally think it is a bit lower, towards the high 500s. I jump between a 6 and 7 in TAP which also goes to 7 max, and I am a 550 Fargo. Every place I played in an APA rated tournament has me in as a 7, and I don't mind that rating to be competitive. It also brings out a big flaw with many league ratings, you can have a maxed out 7 as a 500-600 and also a 7 that is a 650-700, which is like handing someone a free 25-100% spot.
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Eh.. Maybe I am one of those folks who is truly underrated. I am around 585-590, based upon Fargorating of my BCA league in Colorado. Colorado has some of the best barbox players in the country, as far as depth of talent goes, and I went on a tear there for about six months, in which I placed top 3 at every large event I played, and did take down a major barbox event in Wyoming. Looking back on it, I think almost none of those results were reported to Fargorate.

As far as the APA thing is concerned, I was a 7 the last time I played it, and was a 7 after my first session, way back when I was around 21... Never been anything else, and really not sure if I am more of a 625-ish player, as I only play Derby now, and they don't report full match scores to Fargorate.
 
tomatoshooter said:
It's cool to have a measuring stick to track your progress but I don't really care much about Fargo. People say "Hey we can arrange this on Salotto and our game will go towards Fargo." So? What do I gain from that? Really, the only things I could gain are either boosting my rating so I can't play in B player tournaments (not likely) or have a bunch of games in the system that will drag my rating down when I finally figure this damn game out.
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By watching rated players I’d guess if I’m in stroke 670-680ish. I don’t think I would be higher than that. I watch 650’s play and that looks like an easy game for me.

Right now I’m dead out of stroke and not playing at all. This is just a guess.
 

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hang-the-9 said:
If you tracked your TPA honestly and for several weeks, a .750 average is pretty good. .900 is world class playing, an 800 Fargo player would shoot a .900 or a bit higher over a match. A pro player having a bad day would shoot .750, that would be about an A level player.

Since we know the TPA of top players and we know the Fargo rating of those players, there is a co-relation between them that can be made even though they track different things. It's impossible to play bad and win against good players, so a high TPA = a high Fargo rating. From seat of the pants thinking, if you subtract roughly 75-125 points from the TPA rating you would be around where the Fargo rating is, with a smaller number going to higher rated players and the 125 points for lower rated players. So someone that shoots a .500 TPA over a match, which is about half misses and mistakes vs balls pocketed, is a 375-400 Fargo, a pro that can play at a .900+ speed would be about an 800-820 Fargo.
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This is wrong. Almost everything is wrong.

Wrong, wrong wrong.
 
JCL said:
How Does Fargo related to a TPA system, for example I'm a 575 Fargo that plays in my bad day at a 750 TPA SPEED and best days 900 speed, I Think I should be a +600 but I don't play enough tournaments to put more games in Fargo system, but I feel that I play at a 600 speed Fargo, any thoughts about this?
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How do you know your TPA? Is that the Accustats TPA? 900 is TOP pro speed. Unless you broke and ran the whole set, with maybe 1 miss, its almost impossible for a 575 Fargo to have a 900 TPA in an entire match. I don't think even a 750 match is really possible for an established Fargo 575. When the top pros are off their game, they dip into the 750 Accustats TPA range.
 
Rating systems are not perfect, but gives as pool players something else to cry about,

Even if rating or handicapping went away still something to b**** about.🥳

Remember a time when people were just happy to play pool.
 
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ShortBusRuss said:
Eh.. Maybe I am one of those folks who is truly underrated. I am around 585-590, based upon Fargorating of my BCA league in Colorado. Colorado has some of the best barbox players in the country, as far as depth of talent goes, and I went on a tear there for about six months, in which I placed top 3 at every large event I played, and did take down a major barbox event in Wyoming. Looking back on it, I think almost none of those results were reported to Fargorate.

As far as the APA thing is concerned, I was a 7 the last time I played it, and was a 7 after my first session, way back when I was around 21... Never been anything else, and really not sure if I am more of a 625-ish player, as I only play Derby now, and they don't report full match scores to Fargorate.
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Can you beat the 9 ball ghost on a normal 9 ft table (normal meaning not some 5" pocket easy playing thing but a 4.5 or 4.75" well setup table)? If you can, you should be in the mid 600s range. If you can beat the 8 ball ghost, low 600s or high 500s. A 600 Fargo should be able to beat the 8 ball ghost most of the time they try in a race to 10. I can beat the 7 ball ghost pretty well, but last time I did the 8 and 9 I could not. Granted that was a while back.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Sorry, this is mostly made up. And I've said that directly to Dr Dave before.
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"Made up" not so much, it's based on known ability of players compared to others with similar ratings in other leagues. It is fairly accurate, probably within 20%. Issue is that a lot of players go by what they "feel" is the right thing, or they go by some one guy they know that is off or from people that sandbag, not from normal average ratings for players. The one rating scale I think is off by a level is the ABCD ratings, it is too high for the matching Fargo, B- at 549 should be B, the A levels start at 600 not B+, although in the ratings they use, I don't think there is anything that should be past A+ except "Open" then lower level Pro and higher level Pro. None of that A++, A+++, A++++ A+++++++ etc... stuff. A-, A, A+, Open, Pro, done. Just adding extra letters or pluses or whatever to the ratings shows it was not well thought out in the first place as a scale.
 
SEB said:
This is wrong. Almost everything is wrong.

Wrong, wrong wrong.
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Well explain then.

From over 30 years of watching AccuStats videos, seeing what the TPA is of the best players and seeing what the Fargo rating is of the best players now and their TPA as well, I don't see one thing that is off in my thinking. Top world players are 800+ Fargo. Top world players TPA in matches is .900 range, that is facts. From there it's not hard to figure out what the rest of the ratings line up to.
 
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I’ve played a couple sets in my life I’d guess were 900 TPA but that’s over decades and just happened to catch a gear. Certainly not normal for me. Sure felt good. Lightning in a bottle.

Idk what my average TPA would be, not close to 800 I actually don’t know because all the Accustats matches I’ve seen are always players who are much stronger than me, it’s not even close.

It’s hard to put a number on a players speed. I’ve always said that. A letter seems more vague therefore a more accurate answer in an abstract way. I’m a weak A player. My experience counts for a lot, pressure isn’t a problem, but lack of talent is a huge problem and knocks me down from being a competitive player in open tourneys. I don’t like tourneys anyways, so all good.

Fatboy< ——-gives it all he’s got
 
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hang-the-9 said:
Well explain then.

From over 30 years of watching AccuStats videos, seeing what the TPA is of the best players and seeing what the Fargo rating is of the best players now and their TPA as well, I don't see one thing that is off in my thinking. Top world players are 800+ Fargo. Top world players TPA in matches is .900 range, that is facts. From there it's not hard to figure out what the rest of the ratings line up to.
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I've watched quite a few matches and don't see any conflict with your estimate. It's certainly a good ballpark to get within 50 points of Fargo. Sure, soft equipment may exaggerate my abilities, but I don't really need a super precise measurement, just a broad idea of what range I am in. I do wonder if it may be slightly skewed because the classic matches typically feature guys playing their better games. Their bad days don't make for the best viewing.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Can you beat the 9 ball ghost on a normal 9 ft table (normal meaning not some 5" pocket easy playing thing but a 4.5 or 4.75" well setup table)? If you can, you should be in the mid 600s range. If you can beat the 8 ball ghost, low 600s or high 500s. A 600 Fargo should be able to beat the 8 ball ghost most of the time they try in a race to 10. I can beat the 7 ball ghost pretty well, but last time I did the 8 and 9 I could not. Granted that was a while back.
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I have a video of me beating the ghost a race to 7 on a 9 foot Red Label Diamond ProAm, when I was playing a bit more. The year Morra won the Banks at DCC, I played him the next match in the first round of the One Pocket, and had him down 2-1, and could not finish him off, specifically because I had been practicing on the Red Label Diamond, as cross corners bank a full diamond short just from the side pocket. Forced cross corner opportunities out of him a few times, but just could not put them down. Same year, I put a 4 pack on Joey Gray in the 9 ball, but again, could not finish him off. In 2019, I played Scott Frost in the One Pocket and led him 6-0, 5-0 in the first two games, but again, could not get it done.

I don't practice a lot of 8 ball on 9 footers, but when I played bar box 8 ball in Colorado, I had a lot of regional matches where I broke and ran (alternate break) 4 out of 5 racks in a race to 5. While the other guy was doing the same, but happened to make the first mistake.

I do feel like if I would really commit for a couple of months to both a better fitness plan,and serious practice on the table, I might be able to take a few scalps. The practice on the Red Label, while it was good for a straight stroke,was horrible for speed control, banks, and caused me to play a lot of shots differently than one would on a Blue Label. Here in Germany, I ended up buying Diamond rails and having them installed with an extended subrail on a Gold Crown, so I have the equipment, just need to find the time to practice. Right now, I am in a certification cycle for work. As soon as I get my next certification, I am completely free to prepare for Derby this year.
 
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Deruki said:
I've seen you play the ghost and you must not have much robustness in Fargo because I'm a very well established 602 and won't bet the ghost water is wet. You're giving him weight you have to be a 650ish.
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Hell, if any 650 is it going to give the ghost two balls on the wire, you can count on me to back the ghost.

Don‘t misunderstand me, a 650 is a damn good pool player, a level I’ll never reach, but still…

A good buddy of mine is a 669. 3,000 games established. We goof around and I take his money more often than not giving him 2/1 against the ghost.
 
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ShortBusRuss said:
I have a video of me beating the ghost a race to 7 on a 9 foot Red Label Diamond ProAm, when I was playing a bit more. The year Morra won the Banks at DCC, I played him the next match in the first round of the One Pocket, and had him down 2-1, and could not finish him off, specifically because I had been practicing on the Red Label Diamond, as cross corners bank a full diamond short just from the side pocket. Forced cross corner opportunities out of him a few times, but just could not put them down. Same year, I put a 4 pack on Joey Gray in the 9 ball, but again, could not finish him off. In 2019, I played Scott Frost in the One Pocket and led him 6-0, 5-0 in the first two games, but again, could not get it done.

I don't practice a lot of 8 ball on 9 footers, but when I played bar box 8 ball in Colorado, I had a lot of regional matches where I broke and ran (alternate break) 4 out of 5 racks in a race to 5. While the other guy was doing the same, but happened to make the first mistake.

I do feel like if I would really commit for a couple of months to both a better fitness plan,and serious practice on the table, I might be able to take a few scalps. The practice on the Red Label, while it was good for a straight stroke,was horrible for speed control, banks, and caused me to play a lot of shots differently than one would on a Blue Label. Here in Germany, I ended up buying Diamond rails and having them installed with an extended subrail on a Gold Crown, so I have the equipment, just need to find the time to practice. Right now, I am in a certification cycle for work. As soon as I get my next certification, I am completely free to prepare for Derby this year.
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You should be about a mid 600s then. If you can run multiple racks often, say 2-3 several times a night, solid 650.
 
Deruki said:
I've seen you play the ghost and you must not have much robustness in Fargo because I'm a very well established 602 and won't bet the ghost water is wet. You're giving him weight you have to be a 650ish.
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Your really hurting for entertainment if you watch me play the ghost. Yes I do have a low robustness but even if my rating was say 650 it really means nothing there’s plenty of players with a 650 rating. They are still just bangers compared to a good player.
 
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