Thank you. I fixed it. Just typing faster than I was thinking (imagine that) and not proofreading my work. I appreciate your inner English teacher.
i filmed myself shooting. I Dont like what I see
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Guy Manges
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Two completely different physical games, look down on the game unconsciously and look horizontally on the game unconsciously... Guy
Now that is a fuck face
They were talking about cue ball or object ball last. I think he said he looks at the contact point.
So much this.
My brain is too lazy it seems.
When I do my PSR and follow the steps in my stroke, I pocket the ball with shape nearly 100% of the time.
Too often it only takes 2 or 3 racks or even shots before I get down and fire a ball, neglecting everything, and putting the outcome into chaos.
I was the same when I used to play poker. I would get a read on a person and figure out a reliable tell and then forget to look for it a few hands later.
Maybe I have ADD.
Damn squirrels.
Pretty sure he means he aims the contact points not the center of the ball. There are two "aiming" points you can have with the balls, one is the actual contact point, the other is the center of the ghost ball, but both can be a matter of semantics and how you look at what "aiming" is.
Pretty sure he means he aims the contact points not the center of the ball. There are two "aiming" points you can have with the balls, one is the actual contact point, the other is the center of the ghost ball, but both can be a matter of semantics and how you look at what "aiming" is.
I agree. My point is that they should be very clear about what they say in a teaching video and they weren't.
We who play understand what they meant those who are trying to learn, those who need instruction such as this could easily become confused by this simple error.
Both are great players and no doubt great instructors.
Tom
I agree. My point is that they should be very clear about what they say in a teaching video and they weren't.
We who play understand what they meant those who are trying to learn, those who need instruction such as this could easily become confused by this simple error.
Both are great players and no doubt great instructors.
Tom
As I said to "Hang the nine" They miss-stated when they said they aim at the contact point.
That will result in an undercut every time except when shooting a perfectly straight in shot.
We who have been around the game long enough know what they meant but the video
was to teach those who don't.
This was my only criticism of their video. I have great respect for them both.
They simply overlooked the error while producing it.
Tom
I don't recall Massey stating he aimed at the contact point just that he looked at it before stroking the shot. FWIW I use CP aiming and all you can do is locate the true cue ball line with it.
WobblyStroke
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Ye, there are different ways to do things and they both said they look at the contact point. Thorsten even elaborated and said he looks at exactly the point he needs to hit. FWIW this is also where I look when I play as do many others. Not an error worthy of criticism imo, just a diff way to do things than you are accustomed.
Having a video of ones shooting in match play I think would be even more helpful. because.......for me.
When practicing, I find it difficult to give the shot the same amount of focus, awareness and importance.
My body/waggle of walking up to the shot I find is slightly different when cutting a ball to the left or right before I set my hand on table.
Personally, walking up to every shot Exactly the same way to me, does not feel natural.
To improve, one must listen to your mind/watch your shot results and adjust ones walk up before ''your down & done''.
I think all players.... cut shots one direction better, than cutting balls the other direction.
Ever wonder why?
When practicing, I find it difficult to give the shot the same amount of focus, awareness and importance.
My body/waggle of walking up to the shot I find is slightly different when cutting a ball to the left or right before I set my hand on table.
Personally, walking up to every shot Exactly the same way to me, does not feel natural.
To improve, one must listen to your mind/watch your shot results and adjust ones walk up before ''your down & done''.
I think all players.... cut shots one direction better, than cutting balls the other direction.
Ever wonder why?
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WobblyStroke
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Ty for posting that vid. Thorsten drops an absolute gold nugget of knowledge in this one that even MM has never seen/heard of before. I wouldn't usually mention this for free given how rare it is but given it is in the video I will highlight it for yall.... BUILDING YOUR STANCE AROUND THE ALIGNMENT OF YOUR HANGING ARM will do far more good for you than starting out thinking about footwork. Even if you play with a wound arm that doesn't hang naturally, you can have the cue pointing out in front of you and see the alignment you need to stand with in order to have it fall on the aim line. This is by far the best way I have seen to get people into stances right for them and how they prefer to use their arm. And this last statement brings me to my other point for OP....
If you are a strong player that generally executes intended shots to a high level...WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? The statement in caps I borrowed from Joe Nichols who taught golf. He was teaching a pro with a certain feel (remember feel and real are different) and the young pro eagerly wanted to film the swing despite flushing every shot in the session. Nichols just turned to him with a bewildered look on his face and asked "If the ball keeps doing that when you hit it swinging like this, why the hell would you even care what it looks like?
Point is, there are different ways to stand, grip, and even swing a cue. By holding yourself up to some 'ideal' may actually take you away from what you naturally want to do and what works for you. There are world class pros with chickenwing setups, side arms, pump strokes (efren's pump stroke was the pinnacle but there are many less elegant ones), heck Bustamante shoots on an arc so big it is visible to the naked eye! Key is these strokes repeat and they are right for the players using them. As my name suggests, my stroke wobbles too....and it's magnificent. If I try to implement the holy grail of FUNDAMENTALS that I often relay to others to my own game, I play worse. I mean, I know I could adjust and adapt with some time and effort but my gorgeous flowing stroke is the least of my problems in this game. Do you really think your fundamentals/PSR are what are keeping you stuck as the 2nd/3rd best in your league? Chances are you can make all the same shots the 2 guys above you can, you probably just don't see them as easily or your patterns/tactics need some attention.
Last point, I swear, lol... I played a practice set with a 5 last week. He had a wonderful stroke with a lot of effortless power but as his runs went on he'd find himself more and more out of line and would end up selling out. After losing 5-1 he immediately started nitpicking his fundamentals, double checking his stance, his follow through position, etc. I told him right there to stop wasting his time paying attention to that stuff as he's got it more than covered and address the real issue with his game...his pattern play and shot selection. It's not always the PSR's fault, sometimes you're just much better at shooting shots than knowing which ones to shoot to begin with.
skiergd011013
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no. I was practicing by myself.
skiergd011013
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i tried the "holding the cue at the balance point" thing that thorsten does, and it doesnt really seem to work reliably, at least for me. He said if you are right handed, the cue will go to the left. Sometimes the cue goes to the left slightly, but it really just seems to stay facing straight ahead with me. So, is that my natural alignment? I am now seeking some instruction from a good player. I have been connected to a really good straight pool player who is willing to help me. I just need help with a pre shot routine, grip, stance, and stroke. why do I care what I look like, even though I play pretty good? Because I think I have some errors, and a stronger player than me may be able to help me further my game a little more. One thing I am curious about......is the cue suppose touching the side of your body while stroking? My cue touches/presses against my right chest area. Sometimes i find myself pressing it against my body, to sort of guide it. is this normal, or should there be clearance? There is another guy on my league who has a pretty good stroke, and the cue does not touch his body at all.
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I changed my post before I deleted it, after I reread your OP but your snuck in 
. Look at my redo post #35
. Look at my redo post #35
skiergd011013
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the same happens with me. When I am just practicing, with no pressure, my focus isnt there. Definitely more sloppy. I can ask someone to film me playing a match. When it is not my turn at the table, they can just aim the phone down so the other player isnt being filmed.I changed my post before I deleted it, after I reread your OP but your snuck in