The more I think about it, the more I think it's got to be shrinkage. If balls wore down due to friction they would wear down very unevenly and one could notice that in the way they react on the table, like wobble.
Raschig new old stock review
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Here is my original data taken in dec 2008. I've been at this for a long time
I have not measured this set since. Its a lot of work to measure the whole set well.Attachments
Thank you very much! Have you started the new table on the current dimensions of the Aramith balls?Here is my original data taken in dec 2008. I've been at this for a long time
No, too busy right now.
Came out of retirement for this frigging thread.
REAL RASCHIG BALLS HAD A CUEBALL WITH A DOT, NOT A CUEBALL WITH A CIRCLE!
Fake balls maybe? Who knows.
They were the best balls EVER created and unfortunately were only in existence very briefly.
Centennials had nothing on Raschigs.
Maybe someone tried to cash in on that?
Having seen many sets of Raschigs 30 years ago, these balls are fake in my book.
Maybe that explains why they are shriveling up too.
REAL RASCHIG BALLS HAD A CUEBALL WITH A DOT, NOT A CUEBALL WITH A CIRCLE!
Fake balls maybe? Who knows.
They were the best balls EVER created and unfortunately were only in existence very briefly.
Centennials had nothing on Raschigs.
Maybe someone tried to cash in on that?
Having seen many sets of Raschigs 30 years ago, these balls are fake in my book.
Maybe that explains why they are shriveling up too.
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So, if they are fake, who made them?
The ball counterfeiters which are usually in the East…..they copy everything
If phenolic does in fact shrink, Rashig Balls (no matter how good they may have been) are also subject to the phenomena as well. Based on all the weights and measurements highlighted in this thread, perhaps the aren't (weren't) as goos as they were built up to be.
Every set I ever saw whether someone’s personal set, or a set they had in a pool room in the late 80s early 90s, all had a black dot. Not a circle.
iusedtoberich is more than familiar with counterfeit stuff coming out of China. If someone wants something pirated, China can make it.
It could also be that someone swapped out the cueball. Saw that happen in the pool room on a number of occasions where a customer liked the way the Raschig cueball played way better than their aftermarket red or black circle, where the owner had to confront the customer to get the cueball back.
But if this was sold as a new old set, the cueball alone would make me suspect of the whole set.
And IMO, it ALL goes down the toilet the instant someone chimes in with some nonsense anniversary or re-issued set before they stopped production altogether. If someone claimed that these balls were from some last manufacturing run, I would think every set they sold is fake. I’m sure someone will also bring in some German set vs American set nonsense too.
I guess I just saw too many original sets of these balls back when you could get them.
For me, it’s black dot all the way or it’s fake.
iusedtoberich is more than familiar with counterfeit stuff coming out of China. If someone wants something pirated, China can make it.
It could also be that someone swapped out the cueball. Saw that happen in the pool room on a number of occasions where a customer liked the way the Raschig cueball played way better than their aftermarket red or black circle, where the owner had to confront the customer to get the cueball back.
But if this was sold as a new old set, the cueball alone would make me suspect of the whole set.
And IMO, it ALL goes down the toilet the instant someone chimes in with some nonsense anniversary or re-issued set before they stopped production altogether. If someone claimed that these balls were from some last manufacturing run, I would think every set they sold is fake. I’m sure someone will also bring in some German set vs American set nonsense too.
I guess I just saw too many original sets of these balls back when you could get them.
For me, it’s black dot all the way or it’s fake.
Could very well be 100% true. Probably is now that I think about it.
I mean, other than collecting, who in their right mind is gonna keep a set of balls for 30 years?
With normal play, cueball would be out of round and so would the 1 ball after a couple years and then a new cueball gets swapped in and then eventually, a new set of balls when they start to suck.
You came back with a bang. Ha ha ha.
The far east guys are johnny-come-latelies when it comes to manufacturing phenolic resin pool balls. They, however, have been very active, along with companies from around the world, including right here in the US, in the manufacture of polyresin balls. Only recently, and Garczar is on top of this, have the Chinese, Japanese, and Taiwanese been building phenolic resin balls, and they were brought into the business by Saluc. When your Raschig balls were built, there were only 5 companies capable of manufacturing phenolic resin balls in the whole world. Les Usines used to mimic some of ABB Co's designs. So did LaDecalite. Raschig built a copy of Brunswick's (ABB Co.) Royal Centennial, but they called a "tribute" ball. Few here know the relationship between CBB Co. and ABB Co. A large portion of "Hyatt" balls were actually manufactured by CBB Co. and shipped to Albany as blanks.
"iusedtoberich" purchased his balls new from a reliable source and in their original packaging. There is an ongoing undercurrent about pool ball forgeries and yet no one has ever come forward with a forged ball with unimpeachable provenance. I might be wrong, but I think it was Cyclop who was the first far east manufacturer of phenolic resin balls to come onto the scene, and that was, relatively speaking, just recently.
Furthermore, if Raschig was aware, as they would have been, of any attempts at forgeries of their world famous ball, they would have done something about it.
I mean, you’re posting up stats on a potential fake set of balls.
And I know you don’t remember the color of the blue of the 2 and 10ball.
Real Raschig Blue was lighter in color if my memory serves me correctly.
Cosmos from South Korea has been in business a while. They are pretty popular in the 3C world. They make their own pool ball sets and have private labeled sets for Olhausen and Predator.
When did they open? When did they start making phenolic resin balls?