20 dollar chalk?? What’s the world coming to?
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The piece of Toam v10 in my bag now is about six months old and barely looks used (I play league twice a week and practice 4-6 hours a week).
Das Cue-Boot
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Can any V10 fans give an explanation of how, if at all, V10 is better than Pyro? I understand V10 is their most marketed product, but I've not yet heard anything said of V10 that isn't also true of my Pyro (and my Pyro is blue, for those very occasional flakes I find on my cloth).
Finally! Someone that gets it!
I have both (I prefer the Pyro because it's blue) -- but I find that the Pyro will leave "flakes" of chalk on the table occasionally. Not dust -- actual little chips of chalk. My V10 never does that.
Said the following for over a year now. Using the V10 will leave the whole room clean of chalk dust settling about when ever you clean the table. No more blue clouds of dust rising off of the table with each stroke the brush makes across the cloth. The chalk that gets into the cloth is no longer there . When using Masters there would be tiny grains of chalk laying about the cloth that can and would change a bit of direction of the cue ball. When first changing over to V10 , I noticed that my tables cloth was smooth as glass. It is like playing on a new cloth all the time and after 3 or 4 hours of play I can look at my hands and if I didn't know , would swear that I hadn't been near a pool table. The hit is a bit diff, but that was overcome quickly .
I'll never switch back, Will of course use Masters in any room that I go into, but for home play, there's no better choice.
I'll never switch back, Will of course use Masters in any room that I go into, but for home play, there's no better choice.
I use it. Clean hands, clean table, no skids, just vacuum, no more cleaning spray, holds great on tip. Only negative is when you knock in off the table, it can roll anywhere. Don't know how long it lasts. Had a piece two months. Fell off table and got crushed under a hiking boot. Kind of wish it was square.
My home table has Simonis blue on it and I have been using the Taom green.
I clean my table often.
The table and cue ball stays incredibly clean.
A cube (round) of Taom lasts seemingly forever.
I feel the green paints itself a little better than the blue onto the tip.
In short I am a convert and I have argued vociferously on here that chalk is chalk is chalk
so why spend money on premium chalk.
Taom lives up to it's claim which is refreshing today in the pool world where many products are just so much hype.
I clean my table often.
The table and cue ball stays incredibly clean.
A cube (round) of Taom lasts seemingly forever.
I feel the green paints itself a little better than the blue onto the tip.
In short I am a convert and I have argued vociferously on here that chalk is chalk is chalk
so why spend money on premium chalk.
Taom lives up to it's claim which is refreshing today in the pool world where many products are just so much hype.
Before the Toams V10 , I tried to use the Simonis hand wand to clean my table . I thought it was a waste of money and the brush was the only way
to get the table clean then vacuum up the mess at the foot of the table. With the V10, the Simonis wand works so well that it's a couple of weeks before I need to brush again. I'm starting to wonder if the V10 might be saving my cloth because of the elimination of the gritty particles left
on the cloth from the Masters. If the major snooker tournaments over seas are now using only Toams , wonder if that will be the future
for ours. It really does make the table play smoother. Even old cloth cleaned and vacuumed well before switching over will make the cloth seem like it's playing on new. 2 cents issued again.
to get the table clean then vacuum up the mess at the foot of the table. With the V10, the Simonis wand works so well that it's a couple of weeks before I need to brush again. I'm starting to wonder if the V10 might be saving my cloth because of the elimination of the gritty particles left
on the cloth from the Masters. If the major snooker tournaments over seas are now using only Toams , wonder if that will be the future
for ours. It really does make the table play smoother. Even old cloth cleaned and vacuumed well before switching over will make the cloth seem like it's playing on new. 2 cents issued again.
I watched some of those what's in the case/bag with the pros. 5 out of 7 were using taom. Appleton, Pagulayan, Oushan, Shaw, Woodward. Shane masters and Feijen using Longoni or something other. I scoffed until I tried it. Who would call Alex Pagulayan a sucker? He's going to endorse his own line of taom. That's what he thinks of it. That guy uses different cues for different disciplines. Real technician.
I have about 6hrs of play with the new V10 I decided to try because of this thread.
I have no marks on my cue ball.
I have no mess on my table.
The chalk still looks unused.
I have found I need only touch up my tip with this stuff once or twice per rack.
That need is probably more for my piece of mind than the tip requiring more chalk.
I have yet to look at my tip and find a bare spot, even after hitting hard draw shots or going far off center.
At this point I am sold on this product.
My table thanks you fellas for this thread and the info contained.
I have no marks on my cue ball.
I have no mess on my table.
The chalk still looks unused.
I have found I need only touch up my tip with this stuff once or twice per rack.
That need is probably more for my piece of mind than the tip requiring more chalk.
I have yet to look at my tip and find a bare spot, even after hitting hard draw shots or going far off center.
At this point I am sold on this product.
My table thanks you fellas for this thread and the info contained.
I'm at 10 months and not even half way through my first piece of V10, and I play every day.
I use both, and my understanding is that the V10 is supposed to be a little bit more like traditional chalk, i.e., in comparison to Pyro, the V10 produces a little more dust, and is therefore a little more messy on the tables and may result in more kicks/skids, but also fewer miscues or more time between chalking. One of the criticisms I heard from some people about Pyro is that you need to be more conscientious about chalking all the time. But still V10, in comparison to Masters, is less messy and produces fewer kicks/skids.
(gets on balls/table, more kicks/skids, but more time between chalking)
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(clean balls/table, fewer kicks/skids, more conscientious chalking)
Honestly I haven’t noticed much difference between Pyro and V10, but if anything that’s what I’ve heard and experienced.
Just some observations:
Difference between Taom and Master in performance: Negligible.
Difference between Taom and Master in cleanliness: Immense.
Difference between Taom and Master in longevity: I'd estimate Taom lasts at least 5x longer. Maybe more.
Difference between Pyro and V10: Negligible.
The big reason to use Taom is to save the equipment. If you have your own table, it's a must. If you don't, there's no real advantage. I use Taom away from home, but there's really no good reason to. Just increases the chance I lose an expensive cube of chalk. Maybe I should stop doing that.
Difference between Taom and Master in performance: Negligible.
Difference between Taom and Master in cleanliness: Immense.
Difference between Taom and Master in longevity: I'd estimate Taom lasts at least 5x longer. Maybe more.
Difference between Pyro and V10: Negligible.
The big reason to use Taom is to save the equipment. If you have your own table, it's a must. If you don't, there's no real advantage. I use Taom away from home, but there's really no good reason to. Just increases the chance I lose an expensive cube of chalk. Maybe I should stop doing that.
Agreed on all counts except I have not tried Pyro.
I was surprised to see how quickly the other chalks made a mess of my table.
The V10 will be for my home table only. I will use Masters when I go out.
I expect this piece of V10 to last 6months. Time will tell.
Das Cue-Boot
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Not just saving equipment, it is labor as well. I get out the vacuum once a month instead of once a week, so that is 30 plus times a year I don't have to go find it, a power cord, attachments, and actually do the work. Time is worth something for me.
As for equipment, it is a bit harder to actually quantify. I figure the tips last longer, but hard to tell how much longer. Each tip costs as much as a cube of Pyro more if you include the labor to install. I'm sure it saves on cloth as well, since I don't spend all those extra times vacuuming and trying to brush out chalk marks. Hard to quantify, but if it makes the cloth last a little longer, that is well worth it also.
This is also what i experience at home with my table. No dust chalk anywhere to be found. the balls stay cleaner , the cue stays cleaner and my hands are cleaner. BUT, I have to ask. Where does the material (that the Taom chalk is made of) go? I'm think the paste like material is building up on my table cloth. My vacuum does not pick up anything. And in the very long rum, it will affect the play of the cloth. Am I wrong or just a bit crazy?