That is plausible, especially if the people with that belief don't chalk carefully and often enough. In my experience, the hard playing tips I have used hold chalk fine. Phenolic tips are a different story.
Cue Tip Contact Myth-Busting Truths in Super Slow Motion
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That is plausible, especially if the people with that belief don't chalk carefully and often enough. In my experience, the hard playing tips I have used hold chalk fine. Phenolic tips are a different story.
If any skeptics doubt my results, they should do the simple fast-speed and slow-speed tests on their own. They are easy and don't take very long. It is easy to get the aim, miscue limit, and speed dialed in after just a few shots.
I can tell you without doing much thinking that the cue right at the moment before contacting the cueball will be at nearly zero acceleration.
You don’t need the spin rate if the cueball goes to the same spot. You just need to confirm you hit the same spot on the cueball . That’s the beauty of the proposed test shots. You don’t need to measure spin rates. But if you could (of course anything can be measured… the technology is available, at a price), then the spin rates would have to be the same.
It is easier to be lazy and skeptical than active and enlightenment LOL
I absolutely agree. It was just a suggestion to help shut up people looking for a reason to cast shade on Dr. Dave's video.
I don’t think there’s anything he can do to convince people to change their mind on something that they have had ingrained as their standard belief for their whole playing life. In the end, if someone likes a softer tip, the good news is that it won’t matter.
100%, still fun to slap people's faces with facts though.
Both tests honestly felt equally easy. Now, if I had used much more speed, the faster speed test would have been more difficult since the stroke looses accuracy at faster speeds. I felt very consistent with both my fast-speed and slow-speed strokes in the video.
I took a larger number of shots with each cue/tip and each speed to guarantee I was getting the maximum spin for each. I also miscued often with both speeds and all cue/tip combos since I was pushing the limit of what was possible. I showed only the best shot for each, where I got the maximum spin reaction. The bests for each cue/tip and for each speed all matched very well.
Honestly, I did seem to miscue a little more often with the break cue at first, partly because I probably wasn't chalking carefully enough. But when I used Master chalk and chalked carefully while looking at the tip to make sure I had good coverage, the hit seemed just as reliable as the other cues/tips.
I took probably about 20 shots with each and miscued about half the time with each (a little more with the break cue at first) since I was really pushing the limit of what was possible. Again, I wanted to find the most spin each cue/tip could impart.
I was well warmed up before I started filming. I tried a bunch of shots first to see what was possible and to test my procedures. I did the shots in the same order they are presented in the video, but because I had to aim a little differently with each (due to shaft CB deflection differences), I don't think the hits with the previous cues helped me much. I had to get dialed in with each cue/tip separately; but because I took lots of shots in a row with each and miscued often, I am confident I found the max spin possible for each.
Agreed. Tip hardness choice, over a typical range of playing-cue tip hardness, doesn't make much difference, especially to a good player who can easily adjust to any cue, tip, and table conditions quickly. But I personally prefer the advantages of a hard tip.
Why not just play with a phenolic like tip? You would never have to spend a dime on tip tools and retipping. Shaping maintenance would we be no more. I have practiced with mine before (mezz sonic tip) it's a good stroke trainer....any slop and your going to miscue...not very forgiving if your out of stroke a bit
No one comment this one but this is important imo. I have many finesse shots what i can do good succes ratio with softer tip and if I try those with harder tip I fear miscue. That fear is something that I don't want. Trusting your tip is more important than anything else. I don't also want to use my focus on chalking extra. I want to focus on task in hand.
P. S im happy also to get enough power with Elk Master.
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A perfectly acceptable reason to use a soft tip. But this wasn’t related to the soft vs har specifically as the tip hardness impact on spin . And I don’t know that anyone said that a soft tip was bad.
The point of both of his experiments wasn't to change people's mind on what tip to use. It was to make everyone understand the physics behind the performance. Feel has nothing to do with it.
When it come to feel, it's all on the user.
So what's the point of the experiment agian? Lol.
Shoot your hands up with novocain and see how good you shoot. Lol
Feel has everything to do with pool.
I understand he's proving u can get the same spin with any hardness of tip. But guess what....we aren't robots. A tip has to have some forgiveness...that's why we don't Play with phenolic tips.
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I didn’t mean to ever imply that Dave is trying to change anyone’s mind on what tip to use. That has never been the point. I don’t believe anyone is trying change anyone’s preference of feel of tip.
Sorry. I was agreeing with you.
Exactly. I can get just as much spin with a Hard Moori as you can with a soft whatever. I prefer a firmer tip. I like the sound and the feel. If you like soft tips, fine. But don't say you use a soft tip because you can get more spin with it. That was the bullsh*t he was trying to eliminate.
Apparently u didn't read where I said I prefer the hardest non lam leather tip . What anyone else prefers is their business.
("Honestly I did seem to miscue more with the phenolic tip" dr dave.) Basically he should have just said he miscues more with the phenolic How can u "Seem" to miscue? Either you do or you dont. Again I like DD's vids. Everyone can appreciate the work he puts In
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