Their job is to play, not referee. Why put them in a position to do someone else's job? Isn't playing enough?
Hunter v Frost, your stance?
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The situation is a mess.
I think if they have refs in the play area: If you think there may be potential for a foul when when shooting the shooter or the opponent should ask them to watch the hit, for a shirt foul or what ever.
The spectator opinions do not matter.
In the little local events I used to play in if there was a chance of a foul it was customary for a player to ask the person running the event to "watch the hit". It came up with opponents making the requests and shooters often. Some of the better players would be called over if the TD can't go at that moment.
A belly ball wiggle is lame to call a foul for. If the ball moves some distance and or moves other balls that is different of course.
I think if they have refs in the play area: If you think there may be potential for a foul when when shooting the shooter or the opponent should ask them to watch the hit, for a shirt foul or what ever.
The spectator opinions do not matter.
In the little local events I used to play in if there was a chance of a foul it was customary for a player to ask the person running the event to "watch the hit". It came up with opponents making the requests and shooters often. Some of the better players would be called over if the TD can't go at that moment.
A belly ball wiggle is lame to call a foul for. If the ball moves some distance and or moves other balls that is different of course.
No playing isn't enough! Being a good Samaritan means something as well!
Given such desperate times and economic conditions! The unethical behavior is becoming more and more abundant.
Next thing you know, we will have people dumping! That has already happened years ago and casinos backed out!
People having players robbed ! That has already happened!
Svb hit with a pool ball for winning! That has already happened!
Snooker made people pay dearly for such bad behavior! The by-product being the sport fell in line and cleaned up its act.
Kd
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In what other professional sport is a player refereeing his opponent? Can you imagine the sportsmanship issues there would be if every professional athlete had to referee his opponent? There would be HUGE conflicts on a daily basis in every sport. Athletes are not supposed to referee their opponents. It's not their job.
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Recap time, let me know if it’s not quite correct.
Hunter saw Scott’s shirt touching a ball and told Scott about it but did not call a foul or call for a ref.
The ref heard Scott’s big mouth running and came over to see what’s up.
Hunter told the ref Scott’s shirt was touching a ball and he told Scott about it.
Scott said he didn’t think he touched the ball.
Ref said Scott had no way of knowing his shirt touched the ball and called the foul without seeing the offense.
Is this basically what happened?
Hunter saw Scott’s shirt touching a ball and told Scott about it but did not call a foul or call for a ref.
The ref heard Scott’s big mouth running and came over to see what’s up.
Hunter told the ref Scott’s shirt was touching a ball and he told Scott about it.
Scott said he didn’t think he touched the ball.
Ref said Scott had no way of knowing his shirt touched the ball and called the foul without seeing the offense.
Is this basically what happened?
Yes but it was Scott that told the ref, Hunter didn’t say anything.
Which is what a lot of these old guys with their panties in a twist didn't even bother to read in the thread, or, they read it, and are just angry at the rolls life has given them, and are thrilled at the chance to target someone else to let out their frustration.
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Funny
He could have returned control of the table to Scott if he wasn't calling a foul
But But But
He truly had no problem winning that way and integrity be damned....
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I couldn't agree more that professional sport should always have a referee, umpire or arbitor of some kind. At the elite amateur level, event organisers should also aspire to this. But for the most part, when we play sport we referee ourselves. That's what we do and it should be no different playing pool - you watch me and I watch you. "Cue ball fouls only" is unnecessary and serves no purpose. The players will have far more respect for the game, and therefore the players, if they play by the rules when they are without a referee. It encourages integrity whereas "cue ball fouls only" encourages sloppiness and a disregard for the rules of the game. As others have said, in environments where the game is played according to the rules of the game, there are not "huge conflicts on a daily basis".
The best thing to have done there, is too call the ref, and wait till she comes over. No matter what the opponent says.its not worth taking the chance. Its the same with close hits, if the opponent thinks he has seen a foul. You have to agree.
Again that is easy solved, the next time. You know its close, wait for a ref. Even though your opponent, wants you to, just get on with it. A Lesson I learned in those situations!
One thing i thought. If he switched hands, he would have been fine. No way his shirt would have been, over a ball.
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Thanks. I thought I heard in the video the ref asking Hunter what happened. I’ll have to listen again.
Match fixing/dumping still goes on in snooker. As long as open gambling is allowed on their matches it will continue regardless of efforts to stop it. If open gambling is allowed in MR pool events it WILL happen. Sorry to burst your little koombaya fantasy dreamworld bubble but this is the real world we live in.
WobblyStroke
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esp with the paltry payouts atm. u can make much more by missing that 5b in the side just right like vincent.
even without gambling tournaments do get fixed as money is involved. gambling at least puts all sides into a common agreement to have a fair game.
this situation is a case of people who think the rules should bend to fit their personal values of what is right or wrong to do.
this situation is a case of people who think the rules should bend to fit their personal values of what is right or wrong to do.
WobblyStroke
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Ye any judgment of what should be done regarding calling it or not falls into personal values over actual rules of play. That said, I think most on here agree that to avoid such a spot, some procedural things need to happen to keep things on the up and up. It is really simple...if it is going to be close, call a ref over. Ref makes the call. It isn't Hunter's call to make, nor do we need to entrust gentleman rules of call on yourself...esp since a player often can't feel his clothing brushing up on a ball. All ball foul rules need refs. Otherwise someone will be sour, whether the rule was enforced but by the wrong party or bc it wasn't enforced because there was no authority to enforce it.
I say its a Busch league call personally
Watch the video
Other pertinent points
Someone in Hunter's camp called the shirt foil the 2nd time.
The ref had a major attitude and didn't implement the rules correctly. Matchroom has admitted this...with changes to come.
I was playing on the table next to these guys when this happened (Table 12) Guy in crowd was chirping at Scott about touching the ball. Hunter couldn't of seen it and crowd should have no say and there was no ref present. Call goes to shooter, no foul. Move on.