Bizarre situation / rules question

hasu said:
I was at a tournament today where a very strange situation occurred:

10-ball, BCA rules. Player 1 had ball-in-hand, and only the 10-ball was left on the table. As Player 1 was placing the cue ball, it fell into a pocket. The 10-ball was not disturbed. Player 2 called a foul. The TD was called over. Eventually, the TD ruled that the game would be re-played. Player 1 argued that there was no rule describing the situation as a foul, and therefore it was implicitly not a foul. The TD's rationale was that the situation isn't covered by the rules, hence their decision that the game should be replayed.

Thoughts?

It generated much discussion, and the opinion in the room (even among 600-700 fargos) was split regarding whether or not it's a foul.
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If the dude scratched, leaving 10-ball on the table, it's pretty chicken shit/pedantic to make the guy play in the first place. Most players would acknowledge that fouling on game ball is a guaranteed loss in the first place and concede it. Turns out if you're nitty enough, it's not... :ROFLMAO:
 
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Black-Balled said:
I used to work for a lady who was older with no children and somewhat uptight, a dedicated and brilliant employee...I Iearned so much from her.

She'd always say, 'if we could just get rid of the people, this thing would run smoothly'.
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Who didn't see it (?) but the AI guys are already trying to back out.
 
garczar said:
Another example of 'NittiusMaximus'. Seems to be quite the problem these days. ;)
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fastone371 said:
Sounds to me like player 2 is a nit.
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Flakeandrun said:
If the dude scratched, leaving 10-ball on the table, it's pretty chicken shit/pedantic to make the guy play in the first place. Most players would acknowledge that fouling on game ball is a guaranteed loss in the first place and concede it. Turns out if you're nitty enough, it's not... :ROFLMAO:
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Yes, Player 2 is known to be a nit with no reservations about winning from the chair.
 
hasu said:
Yes, Player 2 is known to be a nit with no reservations about winning from the chair.
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Is scratching on game ball not an automatic loss of frame? I've always played as if it is in just about every cue sport.
I would have shook his hand as soon as he scratched and said thanks.
I'd make it a situation where he had to request me to play it, and then I'd spend the whole time making him feel like a POS.
I'd put so much effort into the pure and utter humiliation, that there's now way I'd mishandle the cueball lol

Sorry that nonsense happened to you.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Almost all pro tournaments actually require the player to play the ball in hand game ball, because they don’t allow concessions. On a local level, most players concede it.
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Yes, it's generally like that in tournament play here also. Here, if both players verbally express concession and acceptance, then it is permitted.
 
Flakeandrun said:
If people make me play it, I would. But I'd take immense disrespect away from it lol
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I've actually asked a decent player to shoot and have been asked to do so myself.

In both cases the final ball was frozen to the side rail and very, very close to the side pocket, but not quite so close that you could jam it through the point into the side pocket itself.

A 9 foot table and lively rails. Just enough of a challenge that you're going to want to see that one go in…
 
David in FL said:
I've actually asked a decent player to shoot and have been asked to do so myself.

In both cases the final ball was frozen to the side rail and very, very close to the side pocket, but not quite so close that you could jam it through the point into the side pocket itself.

A 9 foot table and lively rails. Just enough of a challenge that you're going to want to see that one go in…
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You can skid those into the side with a little practice. They do come up. With BIH though, the cross side is the big pocket.
Bored. Just posting...
 
David in FL said:
I've actually asked a decent player to shoot and have been asked to do so myself.

In both cases the final ball was frozen to the side rail and very, very close to the side pocket, but not quite so close that you could jam it through the point into the side pocket itself.

A 9 foot table and lively rails. Just enough of a challenge that you're going to want to see that one go in…
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I see the point in asking a challenging shot to be played. I also play against one guy imparticular, who I will make sink every single ball. No matter how easy. Simply because he is what I would describe as a 'cheat' through deliberate ambiguity.

Often Chinese will concede the last ball, it's commonly accepted here. But I play this one older guy with obvious ego issues, who likes to live in the deliberate ambiguity of this concession action, and accompanies this with language barrier on purpose cause he's not confident in his own ability. Kind of person to leave himself on a tough final shot, and then call the ball-racker over to set up the next frame. He would allow this type of concession to happen often, then call you out later at certain times to suit himself based on his own performance.

He's a good player in his own way, on the right day, but he often manipulates situations in many ways. You know the kind of person I am talking about. He bends the rules to suit his fragile ego quite often.

I had a friend translate the exact rules I want to play with him in 8/9/10 ball - he still tries it on :ROFLMAO:
 
bbb said:
No foul
Player 1 still has ball in hand
He has not shot yet
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Player 2 breaks and scratches. Player 1 has BIH. Player 1 sweeps all the balls except the 9-ball into a pocket using his arm. Then he places the CB next to the 9-ball and sinks the 9-ball. Legal?
 
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7stud said:
Player 2 breaks and scratches. Player 1 has BIH. Player 1 sweeps all the balls except the 9-ball into a pocket using his arm. Then he places the CB next to the 9-ball and sinks the 9-ball. Legal?
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No that's an impending fist-fight
 
7stud said:
Player 2 breaks and scratches. Player 1 has BIH. Player 1 sweeps all the balls except the 9-ball into a pocket using his arm. Then he places the CB next to the 9-ball and sinks the 9-ball. Legal?
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Raking the balls is no longer allowed right?
 
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