Foul, or just rude? Or am I a nit?

ChrisinNC said:
Completely unacceptable, but I fail to see the similarity of the 2 situations.
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Well, I was being extreme because it was mentioned that the template is part of the table / playing surface.

Bottom line for me, if your banging balls around with friends or doing a little friendly gambling no big deal.

But if you are in a serious competition the template should be removed from the playing surface, not shifted around on the table. That would be too casual for me. Again, only my opinion.
 
Sheldon said:
Been there, done that (very recently as a matter of fact). Still maintained my integrity, and called my own fouls. Even had one opponent thank me for my honesty.
I'll remember that a lot longer than I remember the $$.
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So a guy gets over on you....are you still going to call shirt fouls on yourself?

If so you definitely are the better person.
 
in a tournament with a decent amount of money, call everything as its a game of rules.

when gambling, call nitty things and you dont get paid at best, or lose a customer and spend most all the rest of your pool room life sitting in a chair not getting played with.

remember this: losers gamble with people they like or those they can relate to.
 
maha said:
in a tournament with a decent amount of money, call everything as its a game of rules.

when gambling, call nitty things and you dont get paid at best, or lose a customer and spend most all the rest of your pool room life sitting in a chair not getting played with.

remember this: losers gamble with people they like or those they can relate to.
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Absolutely. Gotta treat the customers right.

If you know you are the better player....they can play by whatever rules, rack type, fouls they like. And keep adjustung the game to keep them in the hunt.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The WPA regulations specify that when the template is removed, it should be removed completely away from the playing area. That's not a rule but rather an instruction mostly to the referee, and it is not a foul to do something else. I think the rule was written because someone placed the template on the rail and later the cue ball touched the template during a shot.

Players sometimes leave cue extensions or chalk or (unused) bridges on the table during a shot. There is no rule against it, but of course it is a foul for a ball to hit such debris.

In the given scenario, I'd rule it a foul if a ball happened to touch the moved template. The rules are not perfectly clear on this point, though.

The CSI rules, which cover a lot of the stranger cases in the appendix at the end, don't mention templates at all.
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i've seen the template dangling down off the rail, getting hit by a ball and it got called a foul. so that is a rule.

personally i just automatically remove it after the break and hang it on the triangle hook or the lamp. it's become a routine. leaving it on the rail makes no sense to me since you might have to move it again later on
 
Justice system for players that don't follow the rules, but don't break the rules should be or can include:

First Offense: Director is notified that you have learning condition, and you receive a private orientation
Second Offense: You receive a public orientation
Third Offense: Group of players decide if you have a learning problem or are just not following the code of conduct.

Not everyone person has been diagnosed and different countries overlook certain learning conditions.
Pool players are at the age where high functioning can mask private tendencies.

This way every one at the room can respond to the "incident." Imagine if all the players in the room were notified a shirt touched a ball and a foul was called. Which way would the vote go?

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As read in your first post, last shot. I would say you are being nitty. You could do the same thing. We have all seen the template make the balls change course.
 
I dont understand why you haven't taken the template off the table in the first place. And if you haven't, why you would only move it, rather than remove it, in the given scenario. But I don't get a lot about how people play this game...

I'm just a fan of controlling what is controllable, so that there doesn't have to be a question later. Of course, some people enjoy conflict, so...
 
I imagine the OP is not a fan of when they take the end off their jump/break cue and stick it in a pocket while they jump either.

Probably gives him a seizure.:LOL:
 
justadub said:
I dont understand why you haven't taken the template off the table in the first place. And if you haven't, why you would only move it, rather than remove it, in the given scenario.
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He was shooting the money ball. He moved it just far enough so his nitty opponent wouldn't have to look for it in 3 seconds when he's racking. To me it's just an efficient move.

A respectful opponent would have given him the money ball and not made it necessary to move the thing and just gotten straight to racking.(y)
 
Coos Cues said:
He was shooting the money ball. He moved it just far enough so his nitty opponent wouldn't have to look for it in 3 seconds when he's racking. To me it's just an efficient move.

A respectful opponent would have given him the money ball and not made it necessary to move the thing and just gotten straight to racking.(y)
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Unless he clarified it in a later post, there is nothing in the original posting about it being an extremely easy unmissable shot, only that he had decent shape, whatever that means to him.

We have players in our weekly handicap tournament and in our open tournaments for stronger players that never give their opponent a 9 ball shot, regardless of how easy it is. I’ve learned to accept that, even though I may continue to give those same shots to those same opponents, but only if they are 99+% unmissable.
 
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