Anyone see that Blackboar cue on Facebook? Ouch.

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ribdoner said:
In view of BB's stellar reputation of building high quality, intricate cues the critical question is should subject cue pass inspection and delivered?

Has anyone seen a G. SZAM whose cue building methodology was more labor intensive (albeit not as complex) this attention to detail?
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If I hadn't seen the filler being used myself(pictures) I wouldn't have known either.

I haven't seen any Gus look like this. Yeah, I know, shapes that you learn in grade school 🤣
 
shooter_Hans said:
Before all these cue snobs took shots and start calling me names, I am sure they know that a CNC machine is commonly used by a cue builder. We are not buying these cues based on the CNC program they use or the machine but what a cue builder creates.

It is widely accepted that they use CNC, therefore, the CNC is pretty much equivalent to a carpenter's saw. A CNC machine isn't the deal breaker when it comes to buying a cue. We are not buying the CNC since we are buying the maker.

With that said, yes, pool cues are handmade. You're not paying the machine thousands of dollars. You are paying the builder.

Don't know why I have to explain this to supposed cue "experts".
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Don't presume you are explaining anything that experts don't know...or is correct.
 
Zeek said:
I currently own the cue that is the subject of this thread. I bought it because I liked it. While I have no interest in selling it, thanks to the negativity in this thread any re-sale value on it torpedoed. Much appreciated guys. I have tons of high-res pictures of big cues by the big names that I could post at 1000x magnification and NONE are perfect I assure you, but I enjoy the artistic aspects in cue making and don’t see the point in bashing anyone’s work
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We ain't gonna feel sorry for anyone that could afford to spend 20K on a cue. Just joking of course, but seriously, as I have stated in this thread, those tiny imperfections seen under magnification wouldn't bother me. I would buy your cue! I just need another 18K.
 
jasonlaus said:
I guess you're defending Richard's crappy inlay work now? Searing, Mobley, Showman, Haley - none of those guys would let that crap work out of their shop.
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Not at all.. just your need to bring in someone that has zero to do with this thread to feed your ego....

JV
 
classiccues said:
Not at all.. just your need to bring in someone that has zero to do with this thread to feed your ego....

JV
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Not my ego, and it was meant to be funny....kinda, as ribdoner said, his "lower end cues have less than stellar attention to detail" and his high end cues are much different, which is something we all know.

Seriously, who does worse inlay work in their cheaper cues than RB? I can't think of anybody
 
jasonlaus said:
Not my ego, and it was meant to be funny....kinda, as ribdoner said, his "lower end cues have less than stellar attention to detail" and his high end cues are much different, which is something we all know.

Seriously, who does worse inlay work in their cheaper cues than RB? I can't think of anybody
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Doesn't RB's helper/repair guy make his lower-end stuff now? Thought i'd heard that somewhere.
 
garczar said:
Doesn't RB's helper/repair guy make his lower-end stuff now? Thought i'd heard that somewhere.
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Not sure about now, but I know other builders that wouldn't let their "apprentices" sell nothing but the highest quality, and the apprentic shouldn't let that stuff out of the shop either.

Way too many builders getting it as close to perfect as possible these days - if you wanna sell low price point cues, then leave all the gaps you want.

At least one of the top guys had to loosen their tolerances up because there was no room for the glue/epoxy
 
Good to know these idiots will screw you depending on how much you want to pay. So low end versus high end. LOL

In a perfect world and the pool world is not. Far from it actually. I am not surprised it trickled down to cue builders.

A $500 cue should be perfect just like a 10k cue. The only difference should be design, materials, labor etc...etc....or whatever is involved to reach that price point but both should be perfect. Are we saying that a cue builder will shortcut a cue because it only costs $500. I think you guys are saying that. So I'm going with this.

If you went to a restaurant and ordered a filet mignon and a new york steak then I expect both be cooked to perfection. There shouldn't be a perfectly cooked filet mignon and a burnt new york.

It looks like you guys are describing sketchy ass behavior and we all have read about cue builder behaviors on here. Heck, they are one of the more popular topics on here. LOL
 
shooter_Hans said:
Good to know these idiots will screw you depending on how much you want to pay. So low end versus high end. LOL

In a perfect world and the pool world is not. Far from it actually. I am not surprised it trickled down to cue builders.

A $500 cue should be perfect just like a 10k cue. The only difference should be design, materials, labor etc...etc....or whatever is involved to reach that price point but both should be perfect. Are we saying that a cue builder will shortcut a cue because it only costs $500. I think you guys are saying that. So I'm going with this.

If you went to a restaurant and ordered a filet mignon and a new york steak then I expect both be cooked to perfection. There shouldn't be a perfectly cooked filet mignon and a burnt new york.

It looks like you guys are describing sketchy ass behavior and we all have read about cue builder behaviors on here. Heck, they are one of the more popular topics on here. LOL
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From your posts, I thought it didn't matter how the inlays look 🤷‍♂️.

And yes, if a builder is doing crappy work in "cheaper" cues(I actually believe it translates to their higher end cues, body of work) i believe they are cheating their customers.

Hell, I think we're in agreement
 
shooter_Hans said:
Before all these cue snobs took shots and start calling me names, I am sure they know that a CNC machine is commonly used by a cue builder. We are not buying these cues based on the CNC program they use or the machine but what a cue builder creates.

It is widely accepted that they use CNC, therefore, the CNC is pretty much equivalent to a carpenter's saw. A CNC machine isn't the deal breaker when it comes to buying a cue. We are not buying the CNC since we are buying the maker.

With that said, yes, pool cues are handmade. You're not paying the machine thousands of dollars. You are paying the builder.

Don't know why I have to explain this to supposed cue "experts".
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I was the one asking about "hand made". The reason I was asking was because I just don't know...I come to this forum to learn.
 
garczar said:
Doesn't RB's helper/repair guy make his lower-end stuff now? Thought i'd heard that somewhere.
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This is probably the case when he has one that's qualified ( Wheeler ), there are also probably periods when his help is in training

speculating
 
bpeacock said:
I was the one asking about "hand made". The reason I was asking was because I just don't know...I come to this forum to learn.
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You're good, I think he posts complete nonsense and then somebody finally convinces him of the truth, then he comes back on acting like everybody else knows nothing and he is teaching us.

It's quite amazing.

wait till he finds out some of the people "build" their own CNC machines and....well we'll wait to hear the rest from top expert
 
shooter_Hans said:
Whoever let that out of the shop intentional or not should be fired. Yikes.

I once called a cuemaker and asked him if he can sell me his mess ups or cues not so perfect and he said no. I even requested him to erase his trademark/name off the cue and he still said no.

The pain.

The good news....it is rare and will be worth 25k. LOL
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This is the funniest part and goes with your MO perfectly.
YOU started this thread talking crap about the BB and now anybody that says anything bad about the cue is the worst person on the planet. Are you a liberal by chance?
 
jasonlaus said:
This is the funniest part and goes with your MO perfectly.
YOU started this thread talking crap about the BB and now anybody that says anything bad about the cue is the worst person on the planet. Are you a liberal by chance?
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akin to a box of chocolates
 
I think this thread has run its course. If a cue maker, in this case, it is now black boar but of course, any cue maker can be affected, so if a cue maker sells cues costing 20 thousand dollars and more then a certain quality should be the standard, crooked inlays, clearly visible glue lines are not acceptable in this price segment.

Talking about this in public should also be acceptable and not be considered bashing. If the cue maker doesn't want negative headlines, he should pay more attention to his quality and quality control. Where was the quality control on this cue? Can it really be that a cue builder who has been in the business for decades and is known for building the finest cues looked at this cue and thought "yeah, that's good work, definitely worth $20k"?

A cue in this price segment should be the epitome of quality and not just look good from a distance.
 
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