Stormed off? Then came back to question your decision? You should have kicked her out of the league, or told her she is on probation, and if you see her attempt to cheat again, she's gone.
Conflict Over Concession of Game
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skiergd011013
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im on an independently run league with a dozen teams. There is a rule book that says conceding by breaking down your cue or saying "good game" when you miss, equals game over. There are a few guys that have said the good game thing several times to me, but i have never called it. It is the rule, but if you call someone on it, you are instantly going to be "that guy". If it happens again though, i think im going to politely stop playing and shake their hand and take my points.
So?
When a child throws a tantrum at home, we don't change the rules.
They will either get over it or not. Shouldn't warrant concern.
I have done that. At the offer of my hand, I got the, "it's not over". My response as I turned to go report the win to the tournament score keeper was, "you conceded or it's a shark move. Either way it's over."
DeeDeeCues
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It seems that neither of you understand what 'decisive' rack means. The 'decisive' rack would be when the player is on the hill when the concession occurs. The rule is redundant and poorly written.
She’s a nice young woman, just very competitive and takes all tournaments and matches very seriously. I think she understood and respected my decision after settling down, and she knows she was in the wrong.
I made my point clear again and then walked away, not giving her the opportunity to draw me in to an extended argument with her over it. To confirm, it was the hill-hill game so it did end the match. If her opponent wasn’t on the hill, I would not have ruled it ended the match, just that game.
Nice to confirm that most everyone here feels I handled it correctly.
You were the TD and saw the whole scenario so I think you had both the right and obligation to get involved.
To confirm, I don’t feel that being the TD means if I happen to be observing a match I’m acting as a referee for that match. If I see a player commit a foul or fail to take ball-in-hand after their opponent fouls, I don’t get involved.
Players have to take responsibility in knowing the rules and paying attention enough to call fouls on their opponent. Only if I’m asked to judge a shot before the shot is executed do I get involved.
soyale
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Well what you seem to believe is inaccurate. I have above average understanding.
My understanding is that Unsportsmanlike gives the referee absolute power, up to and including exit from tournament and a good case if he wants to ask management for removal from premises. But then again, maybe I don't understand. Judgment calls is what we are asking the referee for often. Sometimes it rules clarification. Tis best to get clarification before execution. Getting cute with the judge with rules manipulation can be chastised or punished by the judge, at his discretion. Here come the judge.
I don't have a problem understanding the rules as I recall them. At my age recall is not 100 percent but still OK. I think.
So if you could refresh my memory. What part is poorly written. I don't much worry about redundant. Doesn't that just mean, "say again " maybe they say it a lot because they want to emphasize importance.?
So as soon as they go running to the referee to appeal a loss of game. That's evidence that they were not conceding the game, which makes it unsportsmanlike. My high-school coach called it, "Hoist on their own pitard".
DeeDeeCues
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Well what you seem to believe is inaccurate. I have above average understanding.
My understanding is that Unsportsmanlike gives the referee absolute power, up to and including exit from tournament and a good case if he wants to ask management for removal from premises. But then again, maybe I don't understand. Judgment calls is what we are asking the referee for often. Sometimes it rules clarification. Tis best to get clarification before execution. Getting cute with the judge with rules manipulation can be chastised or punished by the judge, at his discretion. Here come the judge.
I don't have a problem understanding the rules as I recall them. At my age recall is not 100 percent but still OK. I think.
So if you could refresh my memory. What part is poorly written. I don't much worry about redundant. Doesn't that just mean, "say again " maybe they say it a lot because they want to emphasize importance.?
Decisive means that it would decide the match. You don't lose by conceding the first game in a race to seven.
The rule states that if you concede the match winning game you lose the match. It is a stupid, unnecessary addition.
Conceding usually isn't poor sportsmanship. The rule doesn't say anything about poor sportsmanship, you are the only one talking about poor sportsmanship in regard to the rule quoted.
DeeDeeCues
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Not what the op said happened. She complained about him getting involved.
So a player of average understanding should know how to conduct themselves in front of the judge. Especially when it's your ass in the sling shot seat. The voice of experience.....over.
The voice of experience.....over.DeeDeeCues
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Not what the op said happened. She complained about him getting involved.
Okay got it DD. I see no need to interact with you. By by.
DeeDeeCues
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So a player of average understanding should know how to conduct themselves in front of the judge. Especially when it's your ass in the sling shot seat.
The voice of experience. If you only ever saw red apples, would you believe me when I told you a granny smith is also an apple?
Other people have experience, also. You don't have that market cornered by a long shot.
As a TD or other official you did the right thing. Had you not been an official, then I might have a problem with you stepping in.
What I might have an issue with is you ignoring fouls. If it was a foul that the opponent should have been able to see from their chair, maybe. If it was a foul they couldn't see from their chair and the shooter ignores it I would call foul as an official.
After I have seen an opponent blatantly foul and not call it on themselves I will get up out of my chair and get where I need to be to best see a shot. If that is directly over the shot, tough. That is where a referee would be in a refereed match. Don't force me to be referee and expect me not to act like one. People do generally decide each will call their own fouls.
Hu
What I might have an issue with is you ignoring fouls. If it was a foul that the opponent should have been able to see from their chair, maybe. If it was a foul they couldn't see from their chair and the shooter ignores it I would call foul as an official.
After I have seen an opponent blatantly foul and not call it on themselves I will get up out of my chair and get where I need to be to best see a shot. If that is directly over the shot, tough. That is where a referee would be in a refereed match. Don't force me to be referee and expect me not to act like one. People do generally decide each will call their own fouls.
Hu
To me it’s a little different than a regular referee type situation. Plus, who is handing out the envelopes at the end?
. You are dealing with a situation that directly affects a player who paid the entry fee, however modest, and changes who wins. I think it is good you aren’t quick to get involved. I also think it is good you got involved here.DeeDeeCues
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Do you mean 'by' as in near? Or are you trying to tell me to 'buy' what you are selling? Or possibly you are saying, 'bye', as in you are wishing me farewell?
Maybe you don't know the difference.