Conflict Over Concession of Game

Jimmorrison said:
Money has nothing to do with the correct decision. The amount at stake will affect some people’s reactions, based on who they are.
I wish people would stop posting incorrect information on golf. In a match, once a putt or a hole is conceded, that hole is done.
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and I wish people would have more common sense on here. You want to avoid an argument with friends or a group. After concession don’t putt it in. It’s that easy. I don’t care what the official rule don’t hit the ball because you don’t have to lol . It’s not complicated
 
trob said:
and I wish people would have more common sense on here. You want to avoid an argument with friends or a group. After concession don’t putt it in. It’s that easy. I don’t care what the official rule don’t hit the ball because you don’t have to lol . It’s not complicated
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Yes, it is. If I am down on a ball I am not thinking to myself - Oh, is my opponent conceding? I am thinking, bottom left, medium speed, follow through, smooth stroke, release...

If my opponent concedes during any of that I may or may not be able to stop my self from pulling the trigger.

Again, it is no different then someone crossing the goal line - once that ball is over it doesn't matter if he loses it. Once a game is conceded, it doesn't matter - the game is OVER once it is conceded.
 
I am not relieved when my opponent says that’s good. I want to make that putt. I want to hear it go in. Confirm my read was correct, stay in stroke. I’m not going to go a half hour without putting, just because my guy is having a bad stretch.
 
Jimmorrison said:
I am not relieved when my opponent says that’s good. I want to make that putt. I want to hear it go in. Confirm my read was correct, stay in stroke. I’m not going to go a half hour without putting, just because my guy is having a bad stretch.
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Excellent point, I have actually conceded (games) early in matches if I see my opponent may have just pocketed 5 or 6 balls and seems to be getting on a run - gotta shut that down, maybe a slow rack, a little chatting before racking ;) (I should report to the sharking thread...)
 
trob said:
and I wish people would have more common sense on here. You want to avoid an argument with friends or a group. After concession don’t putt it in. It’s that easy. I don’t care what the official rule don’t hit the ball because you don’t have to lol . It’s not complicated
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I golf a lot. I've seen so many guys go ahead and putt out after it's been conceded I can't count, in friendly games, money games, and tournament rounds. Have also seen it on TV from the tour pros. I've never seen anyone argue that that means the concession didn't count if they miss it.

The rules very specifically allow it in match play - and pros practice putting after a hole is done in match play with regularity.

This from https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ru...but-one-of-my-opponents-putted-anyway-penalty:

If it’s a singles match, once a stroke is conceded, the player has formally completed the hole with a score that includes the conceded stroke (Rule 3.2b in the Rules of Golf). A concession is final and cannot be declined or withdrawn. Thus, any stroke he or she makes after the concession would be considered practice, which is permitted in match play (Rule 5.5). The rules allow you to practice putting or chipping on the green of the hole just completed (or any practice green). You can also practice around the teeing area of the next hole before play begins on it (just not in a nearby bunker).
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Chili Palmer said:
Excellent point, I have actually conceded (games) early in matches if I see my opponent may have just pocketed 5 or 6 balls and seems to be getting on a run - gotta shut that down, maybe a slow rack, a little chatting before racking ;) (I should report to the sharking thread...)
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DeadStick said:
Always let your opponent shoot an easy money ball - even the best miss them occasionally:

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Except in the situation above (where I'm trying to NOT let them get in stroke) I completely agree with you - when I was playing league/tournaments my opponent always shot the last ball on the table. That's similar to stopping a CB going into a pocket, there IS a chance it's not going to fall - just let it do it's thing.
 
it also needs to be determined what has to be said to be a concession.
i concede the game is what works. your good, dont shoot., you got it, etc. is not clear.
how about in a big tournament the player has an easy win and the opponent mumbles your good. or your in. or some such phrase.
and he rakes the ball and then the opponent says hey ball in hand or you are the one that just forfeited. and he denies what he said or changes it.

in poker if you throw in an amount of chips less than or same as the bet and say jack it up or bump the pot or similar. it will be ruled just a call as you have to specifically say raise.

and what if in a game your tip falls off the the opponent doesnt see it and you start to unscrew your stick over by your seat to change a shaft.
now that is a concession of the game or set?
bad rules lead to bad decisions
 
maha said:
it also needs to be determined what has to be said to be a concession.
i concede the game is what works. your good, dont shoot., you got it, etc. is not clear.
how about in a big tournament the player has an easy win and the opponent mumbles your good. or your in. or some such phrase.
and he rakes the ball and then the opponent says hey ball in hand or you are the one that just forfeited. and he denies what he said or changes it.

in poker if you throw in an amount of chips less than or same as the bet and say jack it up or bump the pot or similar. it will be ruled just a call as you have to specifically say raise.

and what if in a game your tip falls off the the opponent doesnt see it and you start to unscrew your stick over by your seat to change a shaft.
now that is a concession of the game or set?
bad rules lead to bad decisions
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So, you're saying that if you and I are playing and my tip falls off and I walk over to swap shafts you'd call concession and when told, and shown, what just happened you'd still call a concession? If in a tournament a TD would be called, if match play, some choice words would be said and chances are, anyone who goes with concession would be considered a nit.
 
trob said:
and I wish people would have more common sense on here. You want to avoid an argument with friends or a group. After concession don’t putt it in. It’s that easy. I don’t care what the official rule don’t hit the ball because you don’t have to lol . It’s not complicated
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If you concede I can do whatever the hell I want. Why should I miss out on the opportunity to stay in stroke because you conceded? It’s like a field goal kicker kicking the FG after a timeout was called he wants the practice!
 
In the name of? Sportsmanship! Yeah that's the ticket. The reason for a penalty for concession is Sportsmanship. I am not a spring chicken and have heard the methods of a couple of short stop level players and how to gain advantage thru a timely concession.
I have a Grampa story that fits the topic. So Grampa story alert.
I was playing a Grand Master in the Masters division in Lincoln City, Oregon playing 8 ball race to 6 on 7' Diamonds. At 3-3, He broke and ran. I broke dry and he ran. He broke and ran to his key ball which he hung with BIH shape on the 8 ball. Had he just raked the balls he most likely would have won. I was nervous and it took the running of those 8 balls, out of line and shaking like a dog shitting peach pits, to get me settled enough to go on to win the match. So the concession rules are for a good reason. Concessions in competition are shark moves. Concessions in practice with friends are.......bad practice. Shot 'em all.
I once had a close competitor complain after missing a game ball, he said, "Greg I thought that was a gimme. " I replied, "Jimmy you must be playing a different game from me. There's no Gimmes in the game I play. I am playing 9 ball, not 8 ball." 🤷‍♂️ Shot 'em all! Respect the Game. Shot 'em all.
 
ChrisinNC said:
This happened in our weekly tournament the other night. In the hill-hill game, the 9 ball was hanging in front of the side pocket with 6-7 balls still on the table. Player A made the 3 but scratched in the side trying to get on the 4-9 combo, as the 4 was near the middle of the table.

Her opponent who is an extremely weak player takes ball in hand getting ready to shoot this unmissable shot even for him. Down on the shot but before shooting she mutters that it’s good and walks from one end of table to the other right by the side pocket while he is shooting. For some reason (as I said he’s a weak player) he hits it quite hard and it pops out.

He apparently doesn’t realize she’s conceded and goes back towards his chair. She seems to think twice about considering what to do, then approaches the table to shoot. As TD, I’ve watched this unfold from not far away. Normally I would stay out of it and leave it between the 2 players, but I could see she was headed back to the table, clearly taking advantage of her opponent’s ignorance, so I asked her if she had conceded. She reluctantly confirmed that she had so I told her the game was over and it doesn’t matter whether he shot and missed or not, that the concession ended the game at that point.

She stormed off and then came back to me after a few minutes to question my decision. Again I told her plain and simple, once conceded the game is over regardless of what happens afterwards. I also told her that to avoid this conflict in the future, just don’t ever concede any shot, particularly to a player capable of missing any shot.

I know I’m correct on the rule, but just curious if others think I did the right thing by getting involved and calling her on it? I just didn’t feel right letting this other player getting taken advantage of in this situation.
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NTA.

Lou Figueroa
you did good
 
I agree with how you handled it, and agree with others, it was something you really needed to do. Nice to see the right thing happening, once in a while
 
ChrisinNC said:
This happened in our weekly tournament the other night. In the hill-hill game, the 9 ball was hanging in front of the side pocket with 6-7 balls still on the table. Player A made the 3 but scratched in the side trying to get on the 4-9 combo, as the 4 was near the middle of the table.

Her opponent who is an extremely weak player takes ball in hand getting ready to shoot this unmissable shot even for him. Down on the shot but before shooting she mutters that it’s good and walks from one end of table to the other right by the side pocket while he is shooting. For some reason (as I said he’s a weak player) he hits it quite hard and it pops out.

He apparently doesn’t realize she’s conceded and goes back towards his chair. She seems to think twice about considering what to do, then approaches the table to shoot. As TD, I’ve watched this unfold from not far away. Normally I would stay out of it and leave it between the 2 players, but I could see she was headed back to the table, clearly taking advantage of her opponent’s ignorance, so I asked her if she had conceded. She reluctantly confirmed that she had so I told her the game was over and it doesn’t matter whether he shot and missed or not, that the concession ended the game at that point.

She stormed off and then came back to me after a few minutes to question my decision. Again I told her plain and simple, once conceded the game is over regardless of what happens afterwards. I also told her that to avoid this conflict in the future, just don’t ever concede any shot, particularly to a player capable of missing any shot.

I know I’m correct on the rule, but just curious if others think I did the right thing by getting involved and calling her on it? I just didn’t feel right letting this other player getting taken advantage of in this situation.
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Good call Chris. You can't ignore it if you see it. If you hadn't then it might get sticky, a "he said she said" type if thing.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
The rule seems to cover only concession of a match when the shooter is on the hill. Concession of individual games should also be covered.
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Poorly worded rule imo Bob. Let me help the rules committee. "If a player concedes during a match deciding game it will be ruled a loss of match. If a player concedes during any other game it will be loss of game only."
 
xradarx said:
Whoa-there TD/Owner, not so fast!
Unless one or both of the opponents asked for your advice prior to the end of the Hill/Hill game ending shot, You had no reason to involve yourself into their match.
There may have been side bet gamblers, or opponents, who had extra money in the game that you didn't even consider prior to interjecting your common-sense, hearsay, choice into the game.
There may have or may not have been mucho-money involved and for you to have based your game ending decision without consideration could have led to many having to fight their way out of your tournament.
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A concession is a concession regardless of all the other bs you allude to. wtf?? Anyone that's played any at all knows 'that's good' is a game concession(also a match concession if its last game). There is no 'concession recall' regardless of what the other player does. ANYTIME a cue is un-screwed its automatic match concession.
 
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it goes without saying conceding the decisive (hill-hill) game is loss of match. What else would it be.

Not a fan of concessions during tournament play. Unsportsmanlike. Period.

With your friends do what you like. You can choose your friends but you can’t choose your next tourney draw.
 
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