Conflict Over Concession of Game

ChrisinNC said:
This happened in our weekly tournament the other night. In the hill-hill game, the 9 ball was hanging in front of the side pocket with 6-7 balls still on the table. Player A made the 3 but scratched in the side trying to get on the 4-9 combo, as the 4 was near the middle of the table.

Her opponent who is an extremely weak player takes ball in hand getting ready to shoot this unmissable shot even for him. Down on the shot but before shooting she mutters that it’s good and walks from one end of table to the other right by the side pocket while he is shooting. For some reason (as I said he’s a weak player) he hits it quite hard and it pops out.

He apparently doesn’t realize she’s conceded and goes back towards his chair. She seems to think twice about considering what to do, then approaches the table to shoot. As TD, I’ve watched this unfold from not far away. Normally I would stay out of it and leave it between the 2 players, but I could see she was headed back to the table, clearly taking advantage of her opponent’s ignorance, so I asked her if she had conceded. She reluctantly confirmed that she had so I told her the game was over and it doesn’t matter whether he shot and missed or not, that the concession ended the game at that point.

She stormed off and then came back to me after a few minutes to question my decision. Again I told her plain and simple, once conceded the game is over regardless of what happens afterwards. I also told her that to avoid this conflict in the future, just don’t ever concede any shot, particularly to a player capable of missing any shot.

I know I’m correct on the rule, but just curious if others think I did the right thing by getting involved and calling her on it? I just didn’t feel right letting this other player getting taken advantage of in this situation.
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That's a tough one. Normally I'm a boy scout about such things, but unless you're a ref, captain or involved in the tournament in some judging capacity, (not just a bystander or player) I think it's best to myob. That lessor player will get a lesson well learned. That being said, it would be hard for me to keep silent if it was that obvious and I was close to the action.
Everyone deserves a level playing field, as well as a fair one. People need to police themselves and do the right thing. Fences. I'm sitting on one right now. Lol.
 
ChrisinNC said:
To confirm, I don’t feel that being the TD means if I happen to be observing a match I’m acting as a referee for that match. If I see a player commit a foul or fail to take ball-in-hand after their opponent fouls, I don’t get involved.

Players have to take responsibility in knowing the rules and paying attention enough to call fouls on their opponent. Only if I’m asked to judge a shot before the shot is executed do I get involved.
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Contradiction?? Or is it just me??
 
gregcantrall said:
So as soon as they go running to the referee to appeal a loss of game. That's evidence that they were not conceding the game, which makes it unsportsmanlike. My high-school coach called it, "Hoist on their own pitard".
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We got in trouble for calling other kids pitarted.🤷‍♂️ (P.C. Developmentally disabled.) Oh, wait a minute. What's a pitard?? 🤔
Are those the fancy pants worn by ballet dancers??🤣🤣
oh wait. Those are Leos. Horoscope thingies. Lol.🤯🤣
Apologies for highjacking this for a sec.
 
Chili Palmer said:
Excellent point, I have actually conceded (games) early in matches if I see my opponent may have just pocketed 5 or 6 balls and seems to be getting on a run - gotta shut that down, maybe a slow rack, a little chatting before racking ;) (I should report to the sharking thread...)
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Chili Today. Hot Tamale.
 
Mensabum said:
What's a pitard?? 🤔
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Well I misspelled it.
"Hoist with his own petard" is a phrase from a speech in William Shakespeare's play Hamlet that has become proverbial. The phrase's meaning is that a bomb-maker is blown off the ground by his own bomb, and indicates an ironic reversal or poetic justice.
[(pi-tahrd) ] To be caught in one's own trap: “The swindler cheated himself out of most of his money, and his victims were satisfied to see him hoist by his own petard.” A “petard” was an explosive device used in medieval warfare. To be hoisted, or lifted, by a petard literally means to be blown up.
 
gregcantrall said:
Well I misspelled it.
"Hoist with his own petard" is a phrase from a speech in William Shakespeare's play Hamlet that has become proverbial. The phrase's meaning is that a bomb-maker is blown off the ground by his own bomb, and indicates an ironic reversal or poetic justice.
[(pi-tahrd) ] To be caught in one's own trap: “The swindler cheated himself out of most of his money, and his victims were satisfied to see him hoist by his own petard.” A “petard” was an explosive device used in medieval warfare. To be hoisted, or lifted, by a petard literally means to be blown up.
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Dang, I always figured a petard was something sharp and pointy maybe like a pike. It is a firecracker or a small bell shaped explosive to breach a wall or gate I see when I look it up. I guess to be hoisted by your own petard would be one way to get past a wall or gate!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Dang, I always figured a petard was something sharp and pointy maybe like a pike. It is a firecracker or a small bell shaped explosive to breach a wall or gate I see when I look it up. I guess to be hoisted by your own petard would be one way to get past a wall or gate!

Hu
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That is a little "over the top". 😉
I remember a guy that got shot out if a cannon.
Hmmmmmm? Experiment is my favorite part of the pool game. 🤷‍♂️
 
gregcantrall said:
That is a little "over the top". 😉
I remember a guy that got shot out if a cannon.
Hmmmmmm? Experiment is my favorite part of the pool game. 🤷‍♂️
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I read that the people shot out of a cannon miss the net now and then. Got to suck to be about halfway there and realize your trajectory is wrong!

Speaking of trajectories, I was jumping a Harley 350 motorcycle after watching the Evel Knievel movie. I was using about a twenty foot high levee as both the take off and landing ramps jumping across the flat top of the levee vehicles could drive on. I got a little more ambitious each time and finally jumped clean over the far side of the levee, into a large hole! Bottomed out the forks, the shocks, and both wrists. As soon as I realized I had overshot my down ramp I knew it was gonna hurt. I wasn't jumping very far but there was a lot of vertical component in the jumps, maybe thirty feet total. Lucky it wasn't my motorcycle!

Hu
 
We have a guy in our league that says "good game" after every turn at the table. He says it after lagging, after racking, and you'll probably hear it at least 20 times in the process of your match. It isn't a concession, just his little quirk, and he's always done it for as long as I've known him. This is APA, and there really isn't anything in the APA rule book about concessions at all.

Under EQUIPMENT, NOTE 3, it states that you can change cues and/or cue shafts during a game. But interestingly, in the very beginning of the manual, under ETIQUETTE. the eighth bullet point says "Do not break down your cue until your match is over".
 
Rickhem said:
We have a guy in our league that says "good game" after every turn at the table. He says it after lagging, after racking, and you'll probably hear it at least 20 times in the process of your match. It isn't a concession, just his little quirk, and he's always done it for as long as I've known him. This is APA, and there really isn't anything in the APA rule book about concessions at all.

Under EQUIPMENT, NOTE 3, it states that you can change cues and/or cue shafts during a game. But interestingly, in the very beginning of the manual, under ETIQUETTE. the eighth bullet point says "Do not break down your cue until your match is over".
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If I am going to unscrew my cue for some reason during a match I either do it between games or I will notify my opponent what I am about to do. It reduces the possibility of any confusion, Just like even though you do not have to call obvious shots, I always call banks, kicks, caroms, and 8 balls, always.
 
Rickhem said:
We have a guy in our league that says "good game" after every turn at the table. He says it after lagging, after racking, and you'll probably hear it at least 20 times in the process of your match. It isn't a concession, just his little quirk, and he's always done it for as long as I've known him. This is APA, and there really isn't anything in the APA rule book about concessions at all.

Under EQUIPMENT, NOTE 3, it states that you can change cues and/or cue shafts during a game. But interestingly, in the very beginning of the manual, under ETIQUETTE. the eighth bullet point says "Do not break down your cue until your match is over".
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It all comes down to the timing and context of the opponent's comment. Saying "Good game" and walking away from the table with an incoming opponent with BIH and a hanging 9 ball is clearly a concession. Also, saying "That's good" under the same circumstances is also clearly a concession. At that point, the game is over. It doesn't matter if the opponent didn't hear it, shoots and misses. The game has already been conceded.
 
fastone371 said:
If I am going to unscrew my cue for some reason during a match I either do it between games or I will notify my opponent what I am about to do. It reduces the possibility of any confusion, Just like even though you do not have to call obvious shots, I always call banks, kicks, caroms, and 8 balls, always.
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The rules I used to play by was only straight in shots were obvious and some of those weren't! Banks, kicks, caroms, combos, no matter how obvious had to be called. Money ball always too. Usually didn't call or require money ball called with regular gambling partners, in tournaments with the same people I called it unless we waived that by mutual agreement. I have never did more than warn strangers to call a shot unless they had made the same BS call against me earlier in the match!

If playing to eat like the pro's I might be a stickler for the rules and I don't condemn them for seeming nitty sometimes.

Hu
 
that isnt a concession except in ones own mind. to concede you have to verbally state "i concede". or destroy the arrangement of the balls.
and the opponent should or must respond to it.

thats good, or good game, is nothing but a saying with various meanings.
 
ShootingArts said:
I read that the people shot out of a cannon miss the net now and then. Got to suck to be about halfway there and realize your trajectory is wrong!

Speaking of trajectories, I was jumping a Harley 350 motorcycle after watching the Evel Knievel movie. I was using about a twenty foot high levee as both the take off and landing ramps jumping across the flat top of the levee vehicles could drive on. I got a little more ambitious each time and finally jumped clean over the far side of the levee, into a large hole! Bottomed out the forks, the shocks, and both wrists. As soon as I realized I had overshot my down ramp I knew it was gonna hurt. I wasn't jumping very far but there was a lot of vertical component in the jumps, maybe thirty feet total. Lucky it wasn't my motorcycle!

Hu
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Same thing happened to me while in the army back in the mid-60s, jumping a Honda 305 scrambler over blind hills in a Virginia quarry. Only I landed in a huge pile of boulders.
 
DynoDan said:
Same thing happened to me while in the army back in the mid-60s, jumping a Honda 305 scrambler over blind hills in a Virginia quarry. Only I landed in a huge pile of boulders.
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The mighty 305 scrambler was a motocross machine once! Hate to hear about the boulders, I think all of us that have ridden offroad can tell similar tales. A snowmobiler has us all beaten though. He blasted over a crest to discover there was nothing on the other side! He fell hundreds of feet, twelve hundred comes to mind. I have found steel cables stretched across the trail and a few things. Not that I did much riding, I was into other things like pool and race cars when my brothers were riding.

Hu
 
maha said:
that isnt a concession except in ones own mind. to concede you have to verbally state "i concede". or destroy the arrangement of the balls.
and the opponent should or must respond to it.

thats good, or good game, is nothing but a saying with various meanings.
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I’ve literally never heard someone say “I concede.” To make that or a raking of balls required for a concession is certainly not done anywhere I’ve played (US).
 
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