It’s the ONLY solution unless the dates are extended as you suggested.
DCC match results?
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Or you cap the fields, add several days for "unranked" amateurs to try and play their way into the different fields. Have ongoing mini tourneys of ALL the disciples available to the unranked players. You can show up for a couple days and try to earn your place into the smaller capped fields.
Something like that. You don't really want to completely cut out half of your amateur field.
Something like that. You don't really want to completely cut out half of your amateur field.
He should have played the finals in his pajamas
CanadianGuy
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Congrats to Josh
this feat will not be duplicated for a long time
this feat will not be duplicated for a long time
Do you have ANY clue what it takes to run any event much less one this big? At a casino? No way its EVER going to run more than MAYBE one day longer. Its already plenty long enough just horribly run/scheduled. Doing away with the buyback/redraw system would be a huge start. Problem is the $ generated by the bb's is part of their operating budget. IIRC the bb $ is big part of MOT $. Not 100% on this tho.
Agree to point here but Diamond is never going to cede this to MR. Just ditching the bb would completely change the scheduling issues.
The buy back is actually better than double elimination in this event. Double elimination would go WAY WAY WAY longer!
At $100/bb its a pretty big part of their operating budget. Problem is the re-draw every round. Leaves way too many table just sitting empty.
No it wouldn't because you'd have tables in action non-stop. A reg. DE format would go faster, possibly a lot faster.
Has the payouts been posted anywhere? It better not be as low as last year. These guys are putting in blood, sweat and tears playing for 24hrs and getting $1,300 for 7th place, it's disgusting and disrespectful, especially with all the money being made from entry fees and buy back. Make it make sense. No player should have to subject themselves to that for such little money.
I'll agree to disagree
With double elimination, every single player would lose twice. With buy backs, probably less than half actually buy back.The tables not being used 100% of the time has to do with Diamond. The software created 15 years ago already has the capability to schedule rounds in advance of the current one finishing, so the format itself is not the reason. Bob talked with the original developer at length and got that info from the horse's mouth.
I read BJ's system and it sounds as convoluted as the current one. A regular DE format will run faster than aything involving buybacks. Also, a lot more bb than you'd think. Somebody posted the #'s on here a while back and it was way highr than i thought too. Regardless of the sched. method they have to have ALL tables in action. Anything that doesn't do that is no good. I'd also do the Bigfoot on ONE day. Add one more day and do that one event and get it OVER with. Same with the bank ring, do it the first friday nite and get it over early. Or do way with it. Its become a joke event.I'll agree to disagree
The tables not being used 100% of the time has to do with Diamond. The software created 15 years ago already has the capability to schedule rounds in advance of the current one finishing, so the format itself is not the reason. Bob talked with the original developer at length and got that info from the horse's mouth.
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I meant not to use Bob's proposed tournament format, I meant the current software with the current buy back would allow 100% utilization of the tables, if Diamond chose to. Anyway, good points. Its easy for us to armchair qb
You got me. Nope haven't run something like this. Clearly, the event producers have this all figured out. I will quietly refrain from offering suggestions.
Okay I'm back. That break felt good..
Greg has tipped his hand that he doesn't want to eliminate the buyback money or cap the fields beyond those set now. It doesn't take an expert to recognize that the logistics of adding a day or days to this thing is nearly all a financial/negotiation deal with the host location. There's little argument that he couldn't add 2 days to this. 1 day on the front end for the banks, and a full Sunday for the 9 ball.
There are other scheduling changes that could be done to alleviate the inefficient use of the tables too. Bob Jewett has proposed such changes in the past and clearly spelled out how they would work. Those ideas fell on deaf ears.
Another option is -- they change nothing and keep it just like it is. Pros may continue to drop out but amateurs will keep showing up for the foreseeable future. I see why they're reluctant to make serious changes as this annual pilgrimage continues to be on so many player's schedule.
Didn't players back in the day lock up money and play for days?
The Killer looked totally spent. His wife was in the stands yawning.
I've been to a variety of tournaments and as a spectator they all pale in comparison to the Derby.
Pool players will complain about paradise.
Some random Derby thoughts:
Greg should be applauded for 25 years of the DCC.
However, all this gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over speeding up the tournament is disengeniuos. The answer has always been in the simple math of the event: too many players, not enough tables. And, whomever talked him into the beyond idiotic "express" rules for 1pocket should be taken out back of the proverbial pool room and have their thumbs broken... figuratively speaking, of course. And honestly, I don't see ever adding an additional day to what already amounts to a death march.
Diamond should also be concerned about a growing and pervasive perception that the DCC is turning into a second tier event. If Jayson's comments can be taken to heart, along with the absence of so many pros who formerly attended, they should take caution going into next year's event. PR-wise, these things most often take on a life of their own and are often difficult if not impossible to reverse once they take root.
So what don't I like about the Derby in its current state: normal Diamond tables upstairs and new Diamond tables in the main tournament room downstairs that were like playing on the moon in zero gravity. My opponent, a highly experienced player said, "I have no idea where the CB is going." And I had to concur. Watch several of the streamed matches you can see the CB getting away from amateurs and pros by several feet. The rails were beyond "lively." No bueno.
The food situation remains abysmal. While I was there I saw no signs of life at the Asian stand, Mexican or pizza joints. Maybe they were staffed later on. None of them rise above shopping mall food court eats but there should be some impetus to offer better food options. I do have to say that if you're willing to spend $100 a steak and $14 for a baked potato the steak house was actually pretty good.
What do I like about the Derby? Seeing old friends from across the country. Frankly, between the scheduling, express rules, goofy tables, marginal hotel and food situation, if I did not live within a four hour drive I would probably never go again.
Lou Figueroa
Greg should be applauded for 25 years of the DCC.
However, all this gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over speeding up the tournament is disengeniuos. The answer has always been in the simple math of the event: too many players, not enough tables. And, whomever talked him into the beyond idiotic "express" rules for 1pocket should be taken out back of the proverbial pool room and have their thumbs broken... figuratively speaking, of course. And honestly, I don't see ever adding an additional day to what already amounts to a death march.
Diamond should also be concerned about a growing and pervasive perception that the DCC is turning into a second tier event. If Jayson's comments can be taken to heart, along with the absence of so many pros who formerly attended, they should take caution going into next year's event. PR-wise, these things most often take on a life of their own and are often difficult if not impossible to reverse once they take root.
So what don't I like about the Derby in its current state: normal Diamond tables upstairs and new Diamond tables in the main tournament room downstairs that were like playing on the moon in zero gravity. My opponent, a highly experienced player said, "I have no idea where the CB is going." And I had to concur. Watch several of the streamed matches you can see the CB getting away from amateurs and pros by several feet. The rails were beyond "lively." No bueno.
The food situation remains abysmal. While I was there I saw no signs of life at the Asian stand, Mexican or pizza joints. Maybe they were staffed later on. None of them rise above shopping mall food court eats but there should be some impetus to offer better food options. I do have to say that if you're willing to spend $100 a steak and $14 for a baked potato the steak house was actually pretty good.
What do I like about the Derby? Seeing old friends from across the country. Frankly, between the scheduling, express rules, goofy tables, marginal hotel and food situation, if I did not live within a four hour drive I would probably never go again.
Lou Figueroa
The players, organizers, fans are ALL on schedules. This isn't isn't some one-off 15ahead match played by two guys speeding like hell. Having an event that should have been over by no later than 10p last nite run til this morning is a joke. Even Diamond knows they have issues but are so set in their ways they refuse to change. The pros WILL stop coming if they don't improve how this is run. It will be a 2nd/3rd tier event with a few pros and a bunch of dead $$ hacks.
It already is a 2nd tier event. Look at the 9 ball list on the MOT page. 9 ball because everyone plays it, ignore the 1 pocket and banks. How many top pros are there? About 13 or 14. It not much stronger than the Joss year end turnignstone. No Taiwan. No Greece. Very few Filipinos. Not even all the USA pros went. I think next year a few of these top guys will stay home. We know Jayson will, ha ha.