10-Ball rule question

[VTEC John]

Assuming WPA rules are in play, if a player is on the 10-ball, shooting to win, and pockets the 10 in a pocket other than the one he called, does the 10 spot and the incoming player has the usual option of shooting or giving it back? My opponent did this today, and both of us having an 8-ball mindset figured it was loss of game. Had we spotted it, the cue ball was laying bad, in the jaws. As the incoming player I had no decent shot and a safety attempt was likely to sell out. So under the rules, my opponent caught a lucky break by pocketing the 10 in the wrong place. Doesn't seem right but I guess that's the rule. True?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Spotted and incoming player's choice.

 

[straightline]

Oddball thing like that, wrong pocket might be good for the break but no score; receiver's option.
Or anything else...

 

[Ipmtim]

Spotted and incoming player's choice.

^this, had it happen to me last week. It's considered slop and incoming players choice to shoot or give it back.

 

[fastone371]

Oddball thing like that, wrong pocket might be good for the break but no score; receiver's option.
Or anything else...

What????? English please.

 

[straightline]

What????? English please.

If the player opts to pass the shot, then the game will be scoreless with the next break going to the guy who missed.

 

[VTEC John]

If the player opts to pass the shot, then the game will be scoreless with the next break going to the guy who missed.

Wow. Can you tell me where this rule is found? Thx

 

[maha]

stupid rules. just like any shot you should shoot from where you are left if not a scratch.

should be 8 ball as well unless on a bar table where the balls dont come back.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Wow. Can you tell me where this rule is found? Thx

I think you misunderstood. He was making up a rule. The actual rule has already been given. Here is the text of the rule. There is no special treatment mentioned for the 10 ball.

If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.​

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Here are the WPA rules. The rules specific to 10 ball are not that long. It might be useful to read through them once. It is pretty easy to find the rule you are looking for.

Rules|WPA Pool

wpapool.com

 

[maha]

"if a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent."


so how do you take a shot as is, this is in this case leave the ten ball down and let the opponent shoot with nothing on the table.
another case of not needed ambiguous rules.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... so how do you take a shot as is, this is in this case leave the ten ball down and let the opponent shoot with nothing on the table.
another case of not needed ambiguous rules.

In the link I posted are all the rules for 10 ball. You need to read them all if you want to understand them. Sorry. Here is a rule that might help with your concern...

9.9 Spotting Balls​

If the ten ball is pocketed on a foul or push out, or accidentally in the wrong pocket, or driven off the table, it is re-spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) No other object ball is ever spotted.

 

[Chili Palmer]

I think you misunderstood. He was making up a rule. The actual rule has already been given. Here is the text of the rule. There is no special treatment mentioned for the 10 ball.

If a player misses his intended ball and pocket, and either makes the nominated ball in the wrong pocket or pockets another ball, his inning has finished and the incoming player has the option to take the shot as is, or hand it back to his opponent.​

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Here are the WPA rules. The rules specific to 10 ball are not that long. It might be useful to read through them once. It is pretty easy to find the rule you are looking for.

Rules|WPA Pool

wpapool.com

I'm amazed at how many people are unaware of the "give back" rule. It's my understanding that 10B is popular because it helps eliminate slop via call pocket, the give back rule is a major portion of eliminating slop.

 

[maha]

i guess i get it. but rules in my head should be simple and exact. and ten ball should have same rules as nine ball.

thanks bob and chili.

 

[DeadStick]

ten ball should have same rules as nine ball

Why? It’s a completely different game. It’s not just 9-ball with one more ball.

 

[maha]

i think it should be as viewers will understand it better then . and it wont favor the top players as much.

people love to see the underdog have a chance in a match and more fun to watch when he does. ten ball makes it even harder for them than 9 ball.

 

[DeadStick]

people love to see the underdog have a chance in a match and more fun to watch when he does. ten ball makes it even harder for them than 9 ball.

That’s by design. Compared to 9-ball, 10-ball is more skill, less luck.

 

[straightline]

Wow. Can you tell me where this rule is found? Thx

It's an alternative to the actual rule which I and apparently you found odd. It's a very strange penalty situation with a pretzel of fortune. A better solution IMO would be frame over, no score;unless the next player opts to take the spot shot. Other stupid options might include inopportune spots for exactly this situation.