Am I on a FargoRate island in Mississippi?

bpeacock

bpeacock

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We have 60 players in BCA league. We have been playing BCA since Oct 2022. In Feb 2023 we took about 15 players to the BCA championships in Vegas. Over the past year, we have only one player that plays any FargoRate tournaments outside of our league. I think that makes us an island. If I am correct, over the past year we just traded FargoRate points between each other. We can't get a good measure on wether we are improving as a group or not. We sent ~20 players to Vegas this year. I downloaded all or our league's FargoRates on March 3rd and then again on Mar13th. Our players shot well and one of our guys finished first in 9-ball gold singles. I figured that would pull our numbers up. I went up 7 points and I wasn't even there. If you average the rates from all of our league players before and after Vegas, as a group, we went from 405.8 to 414.0. That's roughly an 8 point bump, about the same amount that I went up. Not everyone went up. We had 6 players go down and 4 had no change with the rest going up.
 
Seems like Fargo even in a fairly isolated area (although 60 is a decently large group), is still correct when brought out to the rest of the country for comparison. Now if you had like 4 players, that would be a different story. Out of maybe 20 people there should be enough variance in skill that a 500 in that group would be about the same skill level as a 500 that is linked to 200 players.

As far as the numbers going up, a single event is not going to be enough of a statistical change to move the numbers much. You would need like 4 of those events to get the numbers moving more.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Seems like Fargo even in a fairly isolated area (although 60 is a decently large group), is still correct when brought out to the rest of the country for comparison. Now if you had like 4 players, that would be a different story. Out of maybe 20 people there should be enough variance in skill that a 500 in that group would be about the same skill level as a 500 that is linked to 200 players.
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Yes 60 is a large group, but only one of us ever plays outside of the group, so the connection to outside world is very small.
hang-the-9 said:
As far as the numbers going up, a single event is not going to be enough of a statistical change to move the numbers much. You would need like 4 of those events to get the numbers moving more.
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They racked up a lot of games at the BCA event though. Most of them played in singles 8ball, 9ball and teams events. one guy probably played close to 100 games. He has really improved over the past couple of years. He went up 50 points (540 - 590) with a current robustness of 333. My guess is that he pulled us all up retroactively.
 
It’s certainly true that the more it knows about you and the more connections it can make the more accurate it can rate you. That said, only a 7 point shift after that sounds like it had you in the ballpark to start with. But I’d be really curious about other factors, like what robustness everyone had going into it. Big difference talking about guys with 50 robustness and 500+ robustness.
 
bpeacock said:
Yes 60 is a large group, but only one of us ever plays outside of the group, so the connection to outside world is very small.

They racked up a lot of games at the BCA event though. Most of them played in singles 8ball, 9ball and teams events. one guy probably played close to 100 games. He has really improved over the past couple of years. He went up 50 points (540 - 590) with a current robustness of 333. My guess is that he pulled us all up retroactively.
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So he had 230ish robustness going in and went up 50 points?
 
Maybe you are in a pond. Maybe not.

Just roll with it man! Go to Vegas and get the handicap if you get one. Live it up for the next 2 yrs while fargorate catches up. It’ll catch up eventually.
 
MattPoland said:
It’s certainly true that the more it knows about you and the more connections it can make the more accurate it can rate you. That said, only a 7 point shift after that sounds like it had you in the ballpark to start with. But I’d be really curious about other factors, like what robustness everyone had going into it. Big difference talking about guys with 50 robustness and 500+ robustness.
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1 of the players has a 1,300 robustness, the rest between 200 and 300. We had an in-house league with our own handicap system and we used it to set our Fargorates... Relative to the the one guy that had games in the system. I think the Fargorate system works pretty good.
 
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