Does anyone call a miscue hit a foul if the ball lifts off the table?

the ref is the judge and his decision should be final. he decides if its legal or allowed.

players know the rules in tournaments and have to live with them.
 
Bob Jewett said:
This is covered in the rules. Here is what one official rule set says.

8.18 Miscue​

A miscue occurs when the cue tip slides off the cue ball possibly due to a contact that is too eccentric or to insufficient chalk on the tip. It is usually accompanied by a sharp sound and evidenced by a discoloration of the tip. Although some miscues involve contact of the side of the cue stick with the cue ball, unless such contact is clearly visible, it is assumed not to have occurred. A scoop shot, in which the cue tip contacts the playing surface and the cue ball at the same time and this causes the cue ball to rise off the cloth, is treated like a miscue. Note that intentional miscues are covered by 6.17 Unsportsmanlike Conduct (c).
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I fixed it for you. "A miscue occurs when the cue tip slides off the cue ball possibly due to a contact that is too eccentric, insufficient chalk on the tip or a poor stroke."
 
boogieman said:
I think if it's intentional it's a foul. Good luck proving if it was intentional or not.
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If you cannot prove whether intentional or unintentional then the solution is a foul.

In my experience when a miscue happens and they get lucky and make contact with the object ball, it is usually a foul due no balls hitting a rail.

It is much easier to make the rules where only the tip can make contact with cue ball.

The miscue rule have always bothered me when I was a regular player. It wasn't till now when I started playing again that I notice how flawed this rule is.

There is doubt in a game where sometimes we have to call pockets. Can't leave it up to "intentional or unintentional" to dictate a game. We're trying to eliminate judgement calls.
 
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maha said:
the ref is the judge and his decision should be final. he decides if its legal or allowed.

players know the rules in tournaments and have to live with them.
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The rules allow appeal to the tournament director if the player feels the referee is interpreting the rules incorrectly. The referee is the sole judge of the facts of the shots, though.
 
shooter_Hans said:
If you cannot prove whether intentional or unintentional then the solution is a foul.

In my experience when a miscue happens and they get lucky and make contact with the object ball, it is usually a foul due no balls hitting a rail.

It is much easier to make the rules where only the tip can make contact with cue ball.

The miscue rule have always bothered me when I was a regular player. It wasn't till now when I started playing again that I notice how flawed this rule is.

There is doubt in a game where sometimes we have to call pockets. Can't leave it up to "intentional or unintentional" to dictate a game. We're trying to eliminate judgement calls.
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Give an example when it's difficult to prove if it's intentional. I can't think of any.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The rules allow appeal to the tournament director if the player feels the referee is interpreting the rules incorrectly. The referee is the sole judge of the facts of the shots, though.
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that gives the players the fairest way.
players will always argue that their way is right but when you play a tournament you play by their rules and customs.
it works both ways for the players. calls go for them and against them.

few complain when a ruling that is on the edge goes their way. but scream when it doesn't.
if you don't like them don't play or get the rules changed.
 
If scoop shots are going to automatically be called fouls because it is assumed the ferule struck the cue ball I wonder what happens if I install a really long tip???:):)
 
So lets play along....if you miscue unintentionally and hit your object ball but nothing hit the rail.

That's a foul right? Or is there some rule strictly for miscue. Such as if you miscue then it is ok that nothing touches a rail?

LOL
 
See no problem with calling a miscue a foul. It is by definition. So why not universalize the call, rather than making it subjective? Bring in some VAR or something for those questionable/slight miscues where the ferrule may not touch the ball. I feel the same way about push shots... 'I drew the ball so it couldn't be a push shot' bala bala bala
 
the traditional way we played pool worked for decades and even centuries. why change things to make for picky rulings over things that
are controversial.
 
Flakeandrun said:
See no problem with calling a miscue a foul. It is by definition. ...
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There was a very long, detailed discussion of this in the past year or so.

Not all miscues are fouls. Nearly all, but not all. If there are borderline cases, you have a decision to make. Or the referee does. Also, miscues have never been treated as automatically fouls in pool, so far as I know.
 
Bob Jewett said:
There was a very long, detailed discussion of this in the past year or so.

Not all miscues are fouls. Nearly all, but not all. If there are borderline cases, you have a decision to make. Or the referee does. Also, miscues have never been treated as automatically fouls in pool, so far as I know.
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It's something hard to standardize. I guess some kind of VAR tech also slows down the game too much (but could add drama)
 
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