Cue stick stroke with a spin.

You know I have a lazy eye and occasionally have to do eye exercises to play my best because my vision center can fluctuate. Anyone else ever set up an object ball “straight in” then realize it’s not?😉😉
 
skiergd011013 said:
I have some closeup videos of earl strickland playing when he came to my area last summer. In my videos from behind him, i noticed that he does this. He twists his hand/wrist some when he strikes the cueball. I pointed it out and talked to some strong players who were also there and they found it very interesting that earl does that and they had never noticed.
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I know professional players who use traditional English strokes on most shots. On others, they start by stroking through the center of the cue ball (CB) and then adjust mid-stroke, deviating from a straight-line path about one inch behind the CB.

This technique might be for feel or habitual reasons, or to alter the initial path of the cue ball.
 
fastone371 said:
Right, like I said, hitting the cue ball with center ball will not put spin on the cue ball, even if you twist the cue.
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If you somehow could put a cue(or just a shaft) in a drill chuck and spin the shit out of it there would still be no spin put on the cb. The spinning tip is just going to wipe across the cb's face. This whole idea of 'spinning' a cue to get spin is pure lunacy.
 
skiergd011013 said:
Not advocating for it.....just saying it can be done, and can be done at a world class level. Everyone has their own style. Look at bustamantes stroke and oliver ortmans sideways arm.
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If you think about it for a minute that technique would accomplish nothing. Cue tip to cue ball contact time if I remember correctly is minute, less than 2/10ths of second or something like that. The maximum wrist twist for most people is probably 180 degrees which would equal total twist on the cue. Timing all that 180 degrees of cue twist to happen right at cue tip to cue ball contact time would be all but impossible. I would guess that one would be lucky to get anything more than a few degrees of cue twist during that time of contact, that wouldn't affect the cue ball very much even if the cue ball were epoxied to your tip and it released at the perfect time.
 
In '07 i was lucky enough to watch Efren at DCC. I watched him both hit balls and compete. Him and some other 'pinos are very adept at minute wrist movements going thru the cb. They don't spin the cue but they do use what basically amounts to 'tuck-n-roll'/BHE. Its subtle but its there. Efren would hit shots that looked like he barely struck it but the dots on the measel cb were spinning crazy fast. Very small, last-second tip offset was how he was doing some of his 'magic'.
 
fastone371 said:
If you think about it for a minute that technique would accomplish nothing. Cue tip to cue ball contact time if I remember correctly is minute, less than 2/10ths of second or something like that. The maximum wrist twist for most people is probably 180 degrees which would equal total twist on the cue. Timing all that 180 degrees of cue twist to happen right at cue tip to cue ball contact time would be all but impossible. I would guess that one would be lucky to get anything more than a few degrees of cue twist during that time of contact, that wouldn't affect the cue ball very much even if the cue ball were epoxied to your tip and it released at the perfect time.
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It would have zero effect even if you could spin it which you can't. This is one pool 'old wives tale' that needs to just be buried once-n-for all.
 
So here is the shot. First a dead on stop shot. Second, the same dead on shot. Watch the wrist and the cue ball on each shot. That’s all I ask. The pocket is narrowed as well. Enjoy
 
rocket23 said:
So here is the shot. First a dead on stop shot. Second, the same dead on shot. Watch the wrist and the cue ball on each shot. That’s all I ask. The pocket is narrowed as well. Enjoy
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i have NO CLUE what this is supposed to show but one thing that's not happening is you turning the cue to get spin. that 'wrist turn' is causing slight tip offset at impact. that's why the cb moves sideways, not from the cue itself rotating. pretty easy to see at 1/4 speed. keep believing this nonsense.
 
rocket23 said:
So here is the shot. First a dead on stop shot. Second, the same dead on shot. Watch the wrist and the cue ball on each shot. That’s all I ask. The pocket is narrowed as well. Enjoy
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When you twist your wrist the tip hits right of center and below center, creating a little masse rotation (clockwise as you look down the stick). It does move the CB to the right a little, but is still better done without the twist - just aim low right and stroke straight.

This principle applies to all shots: anything that can be done with a “gimmick stroke” can be done more accurately and consistently with a straight one - and doing it with a straight stroke forces you to learn exactly where and at what angle to hit the CB for the effect you want.

pj
chgo
 
Well I narrowed the pocket. If it deflected it would have thrown the shot. I hit it the cue went sideways. No mystery here. I say it’s possible. With a narrowed pocket. No throw. If I put any English on the cue it would have hit a chalk it didn’t. Look I’m not even close to playing at the level I once was. But I know when A shot is a shot. This is a shot. Videos don’t lie. At least not this one.
 
well first if you are going to compare two shots you need to make them exactly the same. not eyeball them

you moved the chalk so that changes where you hit the pocket.
you didnt mark exactly where each ball was placed so even a little deviation ruins your case.
you dropped your stick on the table

plus it seems the balls were not lined up exactly the same.
and finally your
tip did not go along in the same exact line as the first shot.
you basically changed all the parameters of the test
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
When you twist your wrist the tip hits right of center and below center, creating a little masse rotation (clockwise as you look down the stick). It does move the CB to the right a little, but is still better done without the twist - just aim low right and stroke straight.

This principle applies to all shots: anything that can be done with a “gimmick stroke” can be done more accurately and consistently with a straight one - and doing it with a straight stroke forces you to learn exactly where and at what angle to hit the CB for the effect you want.

pj
chgo
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i've played suckers in bars for YEARS that thought this is how to put spin on a ball. every time i saw the 'wrist turn stroke' i knew it was gonna be a payday.
 
maha said:
well first if you are going to compare two shots you need to make them exactly the same. not eyeball them

you moved the chalk so that changes where you hit the pocket.
you didnt mark exactly where each ball was placed so even a little deviation ruins your case.

plus it seems the balls were not lined up exactly the same.
and finally your
tip did not go along in the same exact line as the first shot.
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doesn't matter in this case. what he's been trying to convince us of DOES NOT happen. the wrist turn cause tip movement thus the cb movement. rotating the cue does NOTHING.
 
You guys really wanna laugh? Check out my golfing videos. The one outside has me hitting the ball over the net! Landed in my neighbors front yard. I got lucky you can see my head follow the shot. Hilarious
 
It looks a lot like a slight cut hit harder than ever necessary. I tend to agree with PJ that you aren't hitting the ball where you believe you are. Flipping your wrist to the left and up is causing the cue to turn, sending the tip to the right and down. Hitting two shots with a poor camera angle isn't a beginning to proving anything.

But, apparently you believe it works for you.
 
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