GC5 Tournament Edition pocket sizes

[wealmostlostdetroit]

Hi guys,
do any of you own or play on GC5 TE?

I just got mine today and pockets are far bigger than what I expected - somewhere between 4.8 and 5 inches. Always thought GC5 TE is 4.25 and the regular GC5 is 4.5.

I'm sure it's a genuine GC5 TE since it came from a reputable seller but baffled why it came with buckets instead of 4.25... add in new, slick cloth and it's not challenging enough.

Second question is what's the best method to tighten these pockets (either to 4' or 4.15')? Glue a carefully crafted piece of wood to the pockets and install a new rubbers over them (this would of course be done by a professional)? I've played on a lot of modified Brunswicks and most jobs are poorly done.

 

[garczar]

According to B'wick the TE has 4.5-4.6" corners, not 4.25". Standard GC is 5". Best way to tighten (expensive) is do a sub-rail modification where wood is added to subrail followed by longer cushions. You can shim a table or use thick facings also. You don't get as accurate pocket dimensions(mouth-to-throat ratio) and facings will often be too hard if you shim too much. all depends on how serious you are and your bankroll. BTW, i don't think that is a TE. If 4.5" two balls would freeze between the points right on their equators. This is obviously bigger than that. Has to be a standard GC5. I'd talk to that dealer or B'wick directly.

 

[wealmostlostdetroit]

Thanks for your reply.
I will measure them again to see if it's closer to 4.6 but fairly sure it's 4.8+. I've attached a picture but everything looks GC5 TE except the pockets.

This is what I had in mind too. -----> Best way to tighten (expensive) is do a sub-rail modification where wood is added to subrail followed by longer cushions.

Had thick facings on my previous table to make it 4.25 but it made the pockets completely dead (barely any rattles, etc).

Surely this has to be GC5 TE?

 

[garczar]

It has the right decal on it but that doesn't mean that rails from a standard GC weren't used. Your pics show pockets in the 4.7-4.8 range. What EXACTLY do the corners measure point-to-point?

 

[wealmostlostdetroit]

Give me a few hours to get you exact dimensions but it's strange. What's the market price for the sub rail modification and new rubber?

 

[garczar]

Give me a few hours to get you exact dimensions but it's strange. What's the market price for the sub rail modification and new rubber?

with rubber i'm guessing 1500+. contact Jack Zimmerman on FB. Great guy, does fantastic work. https://www.facebook.com/billiardmechanix

 

[rexus31]

Those aren't Tournament Edition rails. Someone swapped them with standard rails or put the Tournament Edition stickers on a standard GCV. Those look like 5" pockets to me.

 

[rexus31]

The term to use is subrail extensions. Subrail modification involves adjusting the bevel of the subrail to properly fit modern K55 cushions. This is done on Brunswicks originally outfitted with Monarch SuperSpeed cushions, generally GCII and earlier. The GCIII-Present came with Brunswick SuperSpeed cushions which are a modern K55 profile, therefore no bevel adjustment is necessary.

 

[jimmyco]

If you just took delivery today, get on the phone ASAP.
You did not receive what you ordered and paid for.

 

[jtompilot]

Hopefully you paid with a CC. I’ve had to dispute several purchases over the years when sellers refused returns.

 

[garczar]

Hopefully you paid with a CC. I’ve had to dispute several purchases over the years when sellers refused returns.

If dealer is hinky i'd direct to B'wick's new owners, https://www.escaladesports.com/

 

[fastone371]

Thanks for your reply.
I will measure them again to see if it's closer to 4.6 but fairly sure it's 4.8+. I've attached a picture but everything looks GC5 TE except the pockets.

This is what I had in mind too. -----> Best way to tighten (expensive) is do a sub-rail modification where wood is added to subrail followed by longer cushions.

Had thick facings on my previous table to make it 4.25 but it made the pockets completely dead (barely any rattles, etc).

Surely this has to be GC5 TE?
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Tight pockets or not that is still a beautiful table!!! Congrats.

 

[garczar]

Tight pockets or not that is still a beautiful table!!! Congrats.

I like the 6 too. Only played on one and it was nice. It had been tightened correctly and played great. Really curious about the new 7. B'wick is playing it close to the vest. Little-to-no info it. Mark Gregory is supposed to be tech. advisor on it.

 

[rexus31]

I like the 6 too. Only played on one and it was nice. It had been tightened correctly and played great. Really curious about the new 7. B'wick is playing it close to the vest. Little-to-no info it. Mark Gregory is supposed to be tech. advisor on it.

I believe Global is making them.

 

[garczar]

I believe Global is making them.

The big table?? Global makes the GCbb i know for sure. I'd think that Yalin would keep making them. Basically no info out yet.

 

[garczar]

I just msg'd B'wick and all they said is yes its in development.

 

[rexus31]

The big table?? Global makes the GCbb i know for sure. I'd think that Yalin would keep making them. Basically no info out yet.

Opps. When I saw "7", I though you were referring to the 7', not the GCVII. My mistake.

 

[garczar]

Opps. When I saw "7", I though you were referring the the 7', not the GCVII. My mistake.

Yeah, i thought that's you meant. The guy at B'wick answered really fast. Before Escalade took over you'd get 'crickets'.

 

[rexus31]

Yeah, i thought that's you meant. The guy at B'wick answered really fast. Before Escalade took over you'd get 'crickets'.

I really hope they get back into the pro game.

 

[garczar]

I really hope they get back into the pro game.

Escalade has the money if they want to do it. They own a lot of big names and don't jack around. With billiards, ping-pong, darts and cornhole they could sponsor the "Bar-room Olympics".